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Let $f_n $ be the $ n $-th Faulhaber polynomial. In this question, I observed the following divisibility properties:

  • If $ n $ is even, then $ f_n $ is divisible by $ f_2 $.
  • If $ n > 1 $ is odd, then $ f_n $ is divisible by $ f_3 $.

However, it seems that Faulhaber polynomials do not share any additional common factors (ignoring the denominator ). More precisely, for $ n \neq m $ and $n,m>1$ , we have
$$ \gcd(f_n, f_m) = \begin{cases} f_3, & \text{if both } n \text{ and } m \text{ are odd,} \\ f_2, & \text{if both } n \text{ and } m \text{ are even,} \\ f_1, & \text{otherwise.} \end{cases} $$
Beyond these cases, no additional common factors seem to exist.


Added: As @sil mentioned in the comments $\gcd(f_9,f_{10})= n (n+1) \left(n^2+n-1\right)$

However for all $n,m\le100$ that is the only counter example that I found.

I used this ugly Mathematica code to generate the gcds

For[m = 1, m < 101, m++, 
 For[j = 1, j < m + 1, j++, 
  If[ m != j, 
   Print[m,  j, 
    Factor[PolynomialGCD[Sum[k^m, {k, 1, n}], 
      Sum[k^j, {k, 1, n}] ]]] , ]]]

Added: Using the code in this answer I have checked that for $n,m<1000$ there are no other counter examples.


Here are the first 14 Faulhaber's Polynomials: $$f_1=\frac{n(n+1)}{2}$$ $$ f_{2}=\frac16 n (1+n) (1+2 n)$$ $$f_{3}=\frac14 n^2 (1+n)^2$$ $$f_{4}=\frac1{30} n (1+n) (1+2 n) (-1+3 n+3 n^2)$$ $$f_{5}=\frac1{12} n^2 (1+n)^2 (-1+2 n+2 n^2)$$ $$f_{6}=\frac1{42} n (1+n) (1+2 n) (1-3 n+6 n^3+3 n^4)$$ $$f_{7}=\frac1{24} n^2 (1+n)^2 (2-4 n-n^2+6 n^3+3 n^4)$$ $$f_{8}=\frac1{90} n (1+n) (1+2 n) (-3+9 n-n^2-15 n^3+5 n^4+15 n^5+5 n^6)$$ $$f_{9}=\frac1{20} n^2 (1+n)^2 (-1+n+n^2) (3-3 n-n^2+4 n^3+2 n^4)$$ $$f_{10}=\frac1{66} n (1+n) (1+2 n) (-1+n+n^2) (-5+10 n+3 n^2-11 n^3+2 n^4+9 n^5+3 n^6)$$ $$f_{11}=\frac1{24} n^2 (1+n)^2 (10-20 n-3 n^2+26 n^3-5 n^4-16 n^5+4 n^6+8 n^7+2 n^8)$$ $$f_{12}=\frac1{2730}n (1+n) (1+2 n) (-691+2073 n-287 n^2-3285 n^3+1420 n^4+2310 n^5-1190 n^6-1050 n^7+525 n^8+525 n^9+105 n^{10})$$ $$f_{13}=\frac1{420} n^2 (1+n)^2 (-691+1382 n+202 n^2-1786 n^3+367 n^4+1052 n^5-326 n^6-400 n^7+125 n^8+150 n^9+30 n^{10})$$ $$f_{14}=\frac1{90} n (1+n) (1+2 n) (105-315 n+44 n^2+498 n^3-217 n^4-345 n^5+182 n^6+144 n^7-81 n^8-45 n^9+24 n^{10}+18 n^{11}+3 n^{12})$$

pie
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    didn't you want to say $f_1$ in the third case as all divide by $n(n+1)$? – Conrad Mar 24 '25 at 14:01
  • @Conrad Oh right, I forgot that – pie Mar 24 '25 at 14:03
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    $\gcd(f_9,f_{10})=x^4+2x^3-x\neq \frac{x(x+1)}{2}=f_1$ – Sil Mar 24 '25 at 20:13
  • @Sil Well, I din't see that $n^2+n-1$, I focused on that big (*). now I think I should delete the question – pie Mar 24 '25 at 20:17
  • For what it's worth, I couldn't find another exception though – Sil Mar 24 '25 at 20:20
  • @Sil for all $n,m <25$ that is the only counter example – pie Mar 24 '25 at 20:37
  • @Sil I checked these cases by hand after I wrote a mathematica code to generate the gcds, is there a way to make a code that check if the any of the gcd has any additional factor – pie Mar 24 '25 at 21:00
  • You need to check if $gcd$ and $f_1$ (for example) are the same polynomial up to a constant. I'm sure there are plenty ways to do this. If you know $f_1$ divides the $\gcd$, then all you need to check they both have the same degree. In general to check if $p=c\cdot q$ it's sufficient to check if $p'q-pq'=0$ (where $'$ is derivative) (this follows from $p/q=c$ iff $(p/q)'=0$). – Sil Mar 24 '25 at 21:12
  • @Sil please post that as an answer – K.defaoite Mar 28 '25 at 03:11

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Not a definitive answer, but we show this follows from an another unresolved conjecture: Faulhaber's polynomials and irreducibility in the sums of powers.

In short, let $T_{2n}=f_{2n}/f_2$ and $T_{2n+1}=f_{2n+1}/f_3$. The linked conjecture states that $T_n$ are irreducible except for $n=9$ and $n=10$.

For the sake of contradiction assume $T_i,T_j$ are not relatively prime. Since $T_i,T_j$ are irreducible, this means $T_i=cT_j$ for some $c\in \mathbb{R}$. In particular $\deg(T_i)=\deg(T_j)$. Notice $$\deg T_{2n}=\deg f_{2n}-\deg f_2=2n-2.$$ and similarly $$\deg T_{2m+1}=2m-2.$$ Checking the few cases, the only way for $\deg(T_i)=\deg(T_j)$ is $i$ and $j$ having different parity, say $i=2n$, $j=2m+1$ and $2n-2=2m-2$, i.e. $n=m$. Thus $T_{2n}=cT_{2n+1}$ for $n>1$. However, we show this is not possible either.

Let $m=\deg T_{2n}=\deg T_{2n+1}$, then using Faulhaber's formula we can show that leading coefficients $$ [x^m]T_{2n}=\frac{3}{2n+1},\ \ [x^m]T_{2n+1}=\frac{2}{n+1} $$ and similarly for constant coefficients $$ [x^0]T_{2n}=6B_{2n},\ \ [x^0]T_{2n+1}=2(2n+1)B_{2n} $$ So comparing leading and constant coefficients in $T_{2n}=cT_{2n+1}$ we get $$ c=\frac{3(n+1)}{2(2n+1)}=\frac{6}{2(2n+1)}. $$ Hence $n=1$, a contradiction.

The only remaining possibility is if $T_i$ is divisible by any of the irreducible factors of $T_9$ or $T_{10}$, i.e. by any of $$ x^2+x-1\\2x^4 + 4x^3 - x^2 - 3x + 3\\3x^6 + 9x^5 + 2x^4 - 11x^3 + 3x^2 + 10x - 5 $$ But of course, this contradicts the irreducibility of $T_i$ for $i>10$, so only counterexamples are the ones already found. $\square$

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  • Very nice! How did you find that conjecture? – pie Mar 28 '25 at 23:06
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    Searched for Faulhaber polynomials irreducibility, since that felt like something that must have been studied – Sil Mar 28 '25 at 23:07
  • What if that conjecture was false, would this one also be flase or this one can be true without the other one – pie Mar 28 '25 at 23:10
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    If the other one is false, it does not say anything about this one. This is only conditional result. – Sil Mar 28 '25 at 23:11
  • Since my conjecture is conditionally dependent on the older one, which has remained unsolved for four years, do you think it would be appropriate to post a question about it on MathOverflow? Would it be well-received? – pie Mar 28 '25 at 23:24
  • Maybe, if you describe it has not been resolved here. But proving irreducibility for polynomials is very difficult in general... Your problem might be easier to solve, but to me both are difficult so idk, you can try. – Sil Mar 28 '25 at 23:29