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$\operatorname{S}_n$ has a well known real representation of degree $n - 1$. In other words, $\operatorname{S}_n$ is a subgroup of $\operatorname{SO}_{n-1}(\mathbb{R})$.

Recall, the adjoint representation is reducible for $\mathfrak{so}_{4}(\mathbb{R})$.

Is it true that this $\operatorname{S}_n$ subgroup acts irreducibly on $\mathfrak{so}_{n-1}(\mathbb{R})$ in the adjoint representation for all $n \neq 5?

I know that $\operatorname{S}_4$ is irreducible in the natural rep of $ \operatorname{SO}_3(\mathbb{R})$ which also happens to be the adjoint rep.

For higher $\operatorname{S}_n,\: n \geq 6$ one can check character tables, and it seems they all have an irrep of $\operatorname{dim}(\mathfrak{so}_{n-1}(\mathbb{R}))$ and that this irrep always has Frobenius-Scur indicator 1.

But this is just circumstantial evidence. Is there a direct way to show that the $\operatorname{S}_n$ subgroup of $\operatorname{SO}_{n-1}(\mathbb{R})$ acts irreducibly in the adjoint representation on $\mathfrak{so}_{n-1}(\mathbb{R})$?

  • So the question is whether $\mathfrak{so}_{n-1}(\mathbb R)$ is irreducible as a $A_n$-representation? – Kenta S Nov 15 '22 at 04:42
  • I've now changed it from $ A_n $ to $ S_n $ (the answer should be the same) but otherwise yes that is what I'm asking – Ian Gershon Teixeira Nov 23 '22 at 02:32
  • @MarianoSuárez-Álvarez yes for example the fact the adjoint rep of $ SO_{n-1} $ is exterior square of standard is discussed in the answer to https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/4553170/decomposition-of-v-otimes-v-for-the-natural-representation – Ian Gershon Teixeira Nov 23 '22 at 03:06
  • Ah ok so the result is true and follows from comment by nate here https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/4557024/is-a-8-a-subgroup-of-the-exceptional-lie-group-g-2?rq=1 about exterior powers of the standard rep. I guess I was a little unsure if everything fit together for a full proof but I suppose it's all fine – Ian Gershon Teixeira Nov 23 '22 at 03:13

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If you take the standard $ n-1 $ dimensional deleted permutation representation $ V $ of $ S_n $ then the answer on Is the alternating group $ A_8 $ a subgroup of the exceptional lie group $G_2$? claims that all of its exterior powers $ \bigwedge^k(V) $ are irreducible, combinatorially they correspond to so-called hook shaped partitions $ (n-k,1^k) $. For $ A_n $ the story is similar with the slight exception that if $ n=2k+1 $ is odd then $ \bigwedge^k(V) $ decomposes into two parts.

Furthermore, the answer to Decomposition of $ V \otimes V^* $ for the natural representation cites Fulton and Harris that $ \bigwedge^2 $ is the adjoint representation for the orthogonal group. So $ \bigwedge^{2}(V) \cong \mathfrak{so}_{n-1}(\mathbb{R}) $ where again $ V $ is the $ n-1 $ dimensional deleted permutation irrep. So for $ n \neq 5 $ then $ \mathfrak{so}_{n-1}(\mathbb{R}) $ is irreducible as both an $ S_n $ and an $ A_n $ irrep.

For the exceptional case $$ n=5=2(2)+1=2k+1 $$ then the adjoint rep of $ SO_4(\mathbb{R}) $ on $ \mathfrak{so}_{4}(\mathbb{R}) $ is reducible so the adjoint rep restricted to any $ A_5 $ subgroup of $ SO_4(\mathbb{R}) $ is also reducible.

However the adjoint rep of $ O_4(\mathbb{R}) $ on $ \mathfrak{o}_{4}(\mathbb{R})=\mathfrak{so}_{4}(\mathbb{R}) $ does not reduce. And it turns out that, as expected, any $ S_5 $ subgroup of $ O_4(\mathbb{R}) $ lies outside of $ SO_4(\mathbb{R}) $ and acts irreducibly in the adjoint representation.

Also thanks to @MarianoSuárez-Álvarez !

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    @LSpice I just wasn't thinking carefully! Since $ SO_4(\mathbb{R}) $ in adjoint rep is reducible then $ A_5 $ as a subgroup of $ SO_4(\mathbb{R}) $ must also be reducible in the adjoint rep. But $ O_4(\mathbb{R}) $ is irreducible in the adjoint rep and $ S_5 $ is a subgroup of $ O_4(\mathbb{R}) $ not $ SO_4(\mathbb{R}) $ so it is perfectly consistent for the $ 4d $ rep of $ S_5 $ to be irreducible! Thanks for pointing that out, I'll edit out that comment. – Ian Gershon Teixeira Nov 27 '22 at 16:48