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It seems to me that most high school students are comfortable with the intuitive notion of a limit ("as $x$ gets arbitrarily close to $c$, $f(x)$ gets arbitrarily close to $L$") and gain little insight from learning the $\varepsilon$-$\delta$ definition. Is the added rigor of the $\varepsilon$-$\delta$ definition worth teaching at the high school level?

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    Just a bit of my personal craziness: it's "$\varepsilon$ hyphen $\delta$", not "$\varepsilon$ minus $\delta$", so it should be $\varepsilon$-$\delta$ (or $\varepsilon\text{-}\delta$), not $\varepsilon-\delta$. – Zev Chonoles Aug 01 '13 at 05:18
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    In my opinion, students need to first learn that calculus is simple, easy, and intuitive -- and I'm afraid the $\epsilon - \delta$ stuff may conceal this. Some talented students are ready to learn $\epsilon-\delta$ proofs in high school but we shouldn't try to make everyone do it. – littleO Aug 01 '13 at 10:11
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    The answer is yes --- if we're talking about Bronx High School of Science. Otherwise, no. – Gerry Myerson Aug 01 '13 at 10:30
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    @littleO: Didn't you read my comment? :/ – Zev Chonoles Aug 01 '13 at 12:30
  • Oh @ZevChonoles I'm sorry, I obviously didn't! lol. My bad. Good to know. – littleO Aug 01 '13 at 17:21
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    Will no one say that $\epsilon$-$\delta$ proofs are appropriate for some high school calculus courses and not in others? Is it too obvious?? – Pete L. Clark Aug 04 '13 at 11:28
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    Teach some non-technical people calculus without $\varepsilon\text{-}\delta$, and they'll (as many did in pre-Cauchy time) believe that math is full of ambiguous infinite/infinitesimal quantities which have only "rules" to work with and don't have any reason for these rules — just because the rigorous definitions weren't given in the course. – Ruslan Aug 04 '13 at 14:39
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    When the OP says "It seems to me that most high school students are comfortable with the intuitive notion of a limit" I disagree in several ways: most calculus students are not comfortable with it; more questions get asked about this than any other single calculus concept. And I don't think that the "intuitive notion" of a limit is anything more than placing a black box around the limit concept and saying "Don't worry what this means at all; just see how it is used and try to copy that." And of course calculus can be done that way -- and was, for hundreds of years -- but it is not optimal. – Pete L. Clark Aug 04 '13 at 16:25
  • In my last comment, I should have said "not optimal for college level calculus classes, hence not necessarily optimal for high school calculus". I am not saying that $\epsilon$-$\delta$ should be covered in every high school calculus course: for instance it would probably not be appropriate in most AB-level courses. – Pete L. Clark Aug 04 '13 at 16:39
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    In my opinion it is much more difficult than anything else done in first-semester calculus (if done correctly): the only way I know how to do it is to work backwards by starting with the condition $\delta$ needs to satisfy and ending with a sufficient restriction on $\delta$. This kind of thinking is unlike anything the students may have to in the rest of the semester. Some students who can do everything else simply may not be able to handle it. – Stefan Smith Sep 23 '13 at 22:48
  • Most students with calculus background go into university with the notion that to evaluate a limit, all they have to do is substitute or somehow divide out factors, because that is what they are mechanically told to do, blissfully unaware that the limit discusses the behaviour of a function very close to (but never at) a given point - that is in a deleted neighbourhood. It is a nightmare for TAs. Students should at least be initiated with some intuition like through "box" proofs. – Christopher K Apr 29 '14 at 17:35
  • Epsilon delta proofs are the basic structure of mechanism of calculus...u must learn them to appreciate why things work... – Soham Oct 09 '16 at 12:19
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    This question should be in Mathematics Educators rather than here. – g------ Oct 10 '16 at 18:09
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    @g------ At the time this question was asked (August 2013) Mathematics Educators Stack Exchange did not exist. However, I do not oppose having it moved there now. – David Zhang Oct 10 '16 at 19:13
  • @DavidZhang you have the possibility of clicking on the "reopen" button (just below your question, between buttons "edit" and "flag". – Mikhail Katz Oct 11 '16 at 07:14
  • Students get confused by the $\epsilon$-$\delta$ definition of the limit because they think it's just an unnecessary obfuscation for some intuitive notion, then get frustrated when their intuition turns out to be incorrect or invalid. It's really not a difficult concept, nor is it beyond most a high school student's ability; it is, however, usually their first introduction to what could be called math, rather than just arithmetic computation. – anomaly Oct 11 '16 at 08:31

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I strongly disagree with Arkemis' answer - we should not design the high school math curriculum to cater to the tiny minority of students who go on to become pure math majors, who are the only ones who would really benefit from such material. I'm not convinced that calculus should be taught in high school at all (or if it is, in the form that it usually appears in North American high schools), much more useful would be time spent say, critically analyzing statistical claims made by politicians and journalists.

I don't buy the argument that "definition pushing" somehow improves rigourous thinking in students either. One can demand just as much rigour and clarity of thought from an analysis of Shakespeare than from a $\epsilon - \delta$ proof - the solution is to demand higher standards from the rest of the curriculum, not introduce what amounts to trivia for 99.9% of the students.

By the way, I am speaking a pure mathematician doing academic research for a living.

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    I think this is better suited as a (admittedly long) comment to @Arkamis, and not as an answer to the OP's question. – Dan Rust Aug 01 '13 at 10:38
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    The counter-argument, of course, is that an $\epsilon-\delta$ argument is clearly either right or wrong, whereas scholars have been re-interpreting Shakespeare for close onto 500 years, and so any argument, using sufficiently complicated vocabulary, can be crow-barred into being considered legitimate. Mathematics is not so. Words have different definitions, histories have different interpretations, but mathematical definitions are concrete. – Emily Aug 01 '13 at 19:16
  • While the answer ("No, we shouldn't teach $\epsilon$-$\delta$ to high school students") is defensible, I see a lot of unjustified assumptions in this argument: 1) It is not clear that one needs to be a pure math major to benefit from $\epsilon$-$\delta$. E.g. at UChicago this is covered in all calculus classes whatsoever, which together are taken by the vast majority of undergraduate students. (I also hear a bit of "Should we cater to the tiny minority of students who are extraordinarily talented and interested? What about the students who couldn't care less -- how are we serving them?") – Pete L. Clark Aug 04 '13 at 11:13
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  • "[M]uch more useful time...analyzing statistical claims". This creates a false dichotomy: in 99.9% of high schools in the US, calculus is an elective taken only by interested students. The proposed course on analyzing statistical claims would be valuable for everyone. Why can't some students take both? 3) Again, $\epsilon$-$\delta$ vs. Shakespeare is a false dichotomy, this time flagrantly so. Both are valuable for many students, in very different ways. And again, Shakespeare is part of the required curriculum in many schools and districts; not so, calculus.
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  • "By the way, I am speaking a pure mathematician doing academic research for a living." If so, then the fact that you are not willing to leave this answer under your own name is not a ringing endorsement. Rather, you seem to have created an account entirely to leave this answer. Why??
  • – Pete L. Clark Aug 04 '13 at 11:18
  • (By the way, I didn't much like Arkamis's counter-argument either. I agree with anon's "just as much" if we interpret this as "neither more nor less rigorous in the partial ordering of subjects by rigor and clarity of thought". Shakespeare and mathematics are very different wonderful things. They are not in competition in the curriculum; it seems distracting and even a little silly to try to argue for one over the other here.) – Pete L. Clark Aug 04 '13 at 11:27
  • A "pure mathematician" who evidently doesn't understand the general import of mathematical maturity? Of course not everybody can achieve mathematical maturity, especially in high school. However, as it is effectively "knowing how to think", it is important for any real discipline, not just pure math. To say that people analyzing Shakespeare are on the same intellectual level as somebody with mathematicaly maturity is pathetically naive. – Jonathan Aug 04 '13 at 14:19
  • It should be noted that Arkamis currently goes under @Emily. – Mikhail Katz Oct 11 '16 at 07:53