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A 1939 paper of Erdos (Note on Products of Consecutive Integers, J. London Math. Soc. 14 (1939), 194–198) shows that a product of consecutive positive integers cannot be a perfect square. He cites a 1917 paper by Narumi which proves that a product of at most 202 consecutive positive integers cannot be a perfect square. I cannot seem to easily find Narumi's paper.

Although this result is known, I am curious about self-contained elementary proofs of special cases.

It's not too difficult to come up with fairly quick proofs for two, three, four, five, or seven consecutive integers.

Is there a short self-contained elementary proof that the product of six consecutive positive integers cannot be a perfect square? Or is it perhaps fair to say that this is the first "tricky" case?

t.b.
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idmercer
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  • I do not have so much experience to prove things, but I would start by the following steps: $k(k + 1) = u$, so the square root of $u$ would be the square of $k$ multiplied by $k + 1$, and this makes us think of two consecutive numbers that satisfy that condition. Extend this for 6 numbers, and this seems to be hard to think in numbers that can satisfy that. – Ian Mateus Dec 12 '11 at 19:18
  • The square root of $k$ multiplied by the square root of $k + 1$ - sorry. – Ian Mateus Dec 12 '11 at 19:25
  • You're referring to "Narumi, S.: An extension of a theorem of Liouville’s. Tohoku Math. J. 11, 128–142 (1917)". I doubt if you'll find it online ; it should be available in your library. – Jacob Dec 12 '11 at 19:28
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    @P23 The paper by Narumi is available here. – t.b. Dec 12 '11 at 20:12
  • Please unaccept my wrong answer, so that I can delete it. – Marc van Leeuwen Dec 01 '15 at 10:59
  • A deleted answer by "LogicalApple" states "There is a short proof given in an old math journal (The Analyst) by G. W. Hill. You may find it here: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2635974". As the URL implies, this is a stable link which will not go away or become invalid. – Somos Nov 29 '23 at 17:43

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I am not sure how elementary you want your proof to be, but here is a proof that uses elliptic curves...

Suppose that there are $x,y\in\mathbb{Z}$ such that $x>0$ and

$$y^2=x(x+1)(x+2)(x+3)(x+4)(x+5).$$

If we put $t=x+2+\frac{1}{2}$, then we have

$$y^2=(t-5/2)(t-3/2)(t-1/2)(t+1/2)(t+3/2)(t+5/2)=\left(t^2-\frac{1}{4}\right)\left(t^2-\frac{9}{4}\right)\left(t^2-\frac{25}{4}\right),$$

or, equivalently,

$$4^3y^2 = (4t^2-1)(4t^2-9)(4t^2-25).$$

If we put $U=2^3y$ and $V=4t^2$, then we have a solution for the equation

$$U^2=(V-1)(V-9)(V-25)=V^3 - 35V^2 + 259V - 225.$$

This defines an elliptic curve $E/\mathbb{Q}$, and we can use standard techniques to calculate the rank of the group of rational points $E(\mathbb{Q})$. This method ($2$-descent) shows that the rank of the curve is $0$, and one can easily separately show that the torsion subgroup is $\mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z}\times \mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z}$. It follows that the only points on $E(\mathbb{Q})$ are the trivial points $(V,U)=(1,0)$, $(9,0)$ and $(25,0)$, plus the point ``at infinity'' on the curve. These correspond to $t$-values $t=\pm 1/2$, $\pm 3/2$ and $\pm 5/2$, and therefore do not give any integer values of $x$ with $x> 0$. Hence, there are no integer solutions to our original equation.

There is probably some elementary argument that shows that $U^2=(V-1)(V-9)(V-25)$ only has $3$ solutions, but I can't think of one right away.

  • That's very nice. But I suppose the definition of "elementary" I originally had in mind would not involve knowing anything about elliptic curves. As mentioned, the desired "quick" and "elementary" proof may or may not exist. – idmercer Dec 12 '11 at 23:44
  • Note that with a linear change of variable $, x = (V-13)/4, y = U/8,$ the equation $U^2 = (V-1)(V-9)(V-25) $ becomes $y^2 = x^3 + x^3 - 9x - 9$ which is the Elliptic curve with Cremona label 192b2 which confirms that the Mordell-Weil group structure is the Klein four-group with three rational points. These points are integer points also. – Somos Nov 29 '23 at 17:36
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It's possible to adapt Ross Millikan's argument :

Assuming none of the numbers is $0$, since primes greater than $5$ can only appear once, each of the six numbers is of the form $2^a 3^b 5^c y^2$ with $a,b,c = 0$ or $1$. Also, each prime $2,3,5$ can only appear an even number of time in order for the product to be a square.

If two of the six numbers have the same exponent triple $(a,b,c)$, it puts a very small upper bound on $x$ because it implies that we have two squares $y^2$ extremely close together. So the goal is to try to give them six different exponent triples out of the $8$ available and fail.

If the prime $5$ doesn't appear, you only have $4$ triples for $6$ numbers, impossible. So $5$ has to appear twice in $x$ and $x+5$ only.

Then the four numbers in the middle have to take the other $4$ triples with no $5$, so the prime $3$ must appear in $x+1$ and $x+4$ only.

Finally, the prime $2$ has to appear twice in the middle numbers only. It can't appear three times or else the whole product wouldn't be a square, and it can't appear four times because there is not enough room.

Thus the numbers $x$ and $x+5$ must be of the form $5y^2$. So whatever we do we get an upper bound on $x$.

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  • Very good. I was playing around with that type of reasoning but for some silly reason missed following it to its conclusion.

    I'll wait a little longer just in case there's an even faster "trick" we all missed, but this might be essentially "the" elementary way to prove it.

    It's like the argument for three or five consecutive integers, but maybe there's no way around the fact that the details for six consecutive integers are a tiny bit more messy.

    – idmercer Dec 13 '11 at 01:01
  • @idmercer: Dear mercio and idmercer, Note that the Erdos's argument begins in the same way. He then replaces the explicit consideration of "triples" with more general considerations of the distribution of square free numbers. However, his argument does have the same flavour as this one, just generalized to the arbitrary length case. Regards, – Matt E Dec 13 '11 at 03:04
  • I think I understand what is going on, but the formulation is not easy to follow at some points. You might say somewhere that $x$ is the least of the six consecutive numbers considered. But the most confusing point is that in the beginning "a prime appears" means it divides one of the six numbers, while later it seems to mean occur with odd multiplicity in one of the six numbers. – Marc van Leeuwen Dec 01 '15 at 12:42
  • Either x and x+5 are divisible by 5, or 5^3, or 5^5 etc. or one of the others is divisible by 25. – gnasher729 Nov 29 '23 at 20:32
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There is a short proof given in an old math journal (The Analyst) by G. W. Hill. You may find it here: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2635974. I replicate it below with annotations.

Let the six consecutive integers be represented as

$\frac{n-5}{2}, \frac{n-3}{2}, \frac{n-1}{2}, \frac{n+1}{2}, \frac{n+3}{2}, \frac{n+5}{2}$ for some odd $n$.

The product of which becomes $\frac{n^2-25}{4} * \frac{n^2-9}{4} * \frac{n^2-1}{4}$

Substitute $x = \frac{n^2-9}{4}$ (an integer as it is the product of two integers) and the product becomes

$x(x+2)(x-4)$

Let $x = k^2y$ such that $k^2$ is the largest square factor contained in $x$. Note $y$ cannot contain a square factor (other than 1), otherwise $k^2$ would not be the largest square factor contained in $x$.

We now examine the equation

$k^2y(k^2y+2)(k^2y-4) = □$ (using old notation where □ is a placeholder for a square integer).

In order for the left hand side to be square, then $y(k^2y+2)(k^2y-4)$ must be square.

$y(k^2y+2)(k^2y-4) = □$

Since $y$ is not a square, then $y$ must be contained as a factor in $(k^2y+2)(k^2y-4)$ and so

$y | (k^2y+2)(k^2y-4) \implies y|8 \implies y = 1 \text{ or } 2$

Case 1: y = 1

$(k^2+2)(k^2-4) = □$

$9 + □ = (k^2-1)^2 \implies k^2-1 = 5 \implies k = \sqrt6$ and hence $k$ is not an integer (contradiction).

Case 2: y = 2

$2*(2k^2+2)(2k^2-4) = □$

Since every square has the form $3n$ or $3n+1$, $k^2$ must be of the form $3n$ or $3n+1$. But, in either case, the resultant form of $□$ becomes $3n+2$, and hence $□$ is not square (contradiction).

Since $y$ cannot equal 1 or 2 then it follows that the product is not square. ■

Notes.

In the paper, the author doesn't explicitly show that $9 + □ = (k^2-1)^2 \implies □ = 16 \text{ and } (k^2-1)^2 = 25 $. However, since we know the side length is 3, we can conclude (3, 4, 5) is the only Pythagorean triple possible. This follows from Euclid's formulation. $3 = m^2 - n^2 = (m-n)(m+n)$. The only factors of 3 are 1 and 3 so m - n = 1 and m + n = 3 and so m = 2 and n = 1. This implies the even side length is 2mn = 4 and the hypotenuse is 5.

Proof that a square must be of the form 3n or 3n+1 is found here.

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As mercio says, each number is a square multiplied by multiples of 2, 3 and 5, and no two are multiplied by the same factor. The only possible factors are

5  6 1 2 3 10
10 3 2 1 6  5

That’s three pairs where 2x^2 is very close to y^2, so $x/y \approx \sqrt 2$. There is a well known problem to find squares x^2 so that 2x^2 +/- 1 is a square. The solutions to this times 5 are the only possible values for the first and last number, and they grow exponentially. The same for the two multiples of three. I think we can show that these two sets of numbers don’t fit together.

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For two integers, note that the GCD of $k$ and $k+1$ is $1$, so any number that divides $k$ does not divide $k+1$. Then if $n^2=k(k+1)$, both $k$ and $k+1$ would have to be squares, but the no squares of positive integers differ by $1$.

Added: as idmercer suggests $k(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)=(k^2+3k+1)^2-1$ so cannot be a square.

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