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This is honestly a very basic question regarding limits taken to infinity, but I'm curious about a rigorous explanation that doesn't rely upon notational tricks which obscure the operations. I think the easiest way to state the question is to consider,

$$\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} \frac{1}{n} = 0$$

This limit clearly evaluates to 0 but it has been my unstructured understanding that, strictly speaking,

$$\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} \frac{1}{n} \not\equiv 0$$

That is, the limit is not defined to be 0 but rather approaches zero; in that there exists no real number closer to zero than the evaluation of this limit. In the same sense that $\sup (a,b)=b$ despite $b\not\in(a,b)$. So, strictly speaking (though it may be an abuse of notation), it would be more correct to write:

$$\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} \frac{1}{n} \equiv dn \approx 0$$

Where the limit is defined to evaluate to an infinitesimal in $n$, which, outside specific scenarios usually involving derivatives or infinite sums, may be approximated as zero without loss of generality (since carrying the infinitesimals won't change the analysis). In that sense, whether or not to estimate with $dn=0$ is somewhat an axiomatic preference or convention which depends upon the context of the problem.

Is this the correct way to view limits, or is there some manner by which the limit evaluates precisely to 0, without leaving a residual infinitesimal?

I have seen several explanations, but the internet is inconsistent and my old college calculus I textbook stuck with the high-level evaluation of limits without digging too much into infinitesimals.

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    A limit, so it exists, is a real number. No infinitesimals, no process. – Marius S.L. Apr 29 '25 at 01:38
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    This question ias you've phrased it is too vague to have an answer. This may help: Does the epsilon-delta definition of limits truly capture our intuitive understanding of limits?. If you believe it’s different, please [edit] the question, make it clear how it’s different and/or how the answers on that question are not helpful for your problem. – Ethan Bolker Apr 29 '25 at 01:48
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    Not only is there a way in which the limit evaluates precisely to zero, there are multiple definitions/ways that all agree, and all mathematicians agree on. Are you actually asking something like "I read an epsilon-delta proof that it evaluates to zero and I wasn't satisfied because it didn't mention infinitesimals, which I would prefer. Is there a definition that uses infinitesimals where it evaluates precisely to zero?" Basically I'm not sure what you weren't satisfied with when you "have seen several explanations", so it's not clear to me what sort of answer you'd be looking for. – Mark S. Apr 29 '25 at 01:54
  • @EthanBolker I'm not really certain what the other person is asking about "intuitive understanding of limits," so it feels a bit different than what I'd like to know. Which might be better framed as "is there a distinction between 'infinitely close to' and 'identically equal to'?" My understanding is that they are distinct in the form of infinitesimals, but that the distinction is usually insignificant. I used limits as a vehicle towards that here, but clearly that's an incorrect usage of the notation. – TooOldToBeAskingThis Apr 29 '25 at 02:30
  • @MarkS. I believe I've erred in using the language of limits here, since what I'd actually like to know is whether there's a distinction between "infinitely close to" and "identically equal to." My understanding is that there does exist a distinction, but in practice that distinction changes nothing - unless you're summing infinitely many infinitesimals or another operation where convergence rates become significant. – TooOldToBeAskingThis Apr 29 '25 at 02:38
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    Ah, in that case, since your question is so steeped in the limits about which you didn't mean to ask, I'd suggest accepting an answer or closing this question and maybe asking a new one that doesn't mention limits at all (if you aren't satisfied by, say, the Wikipedia page for infinitesimal or other questions on this site). (And for such a new question, I'd warn you that no standard calculus textbook talks about "infinitely close".) – Mark S. Apr 29 '25 at 02:43
  • @MarkS. That's good advice, thanks.

    I believe I was originally thinking of limits in the context of the Riemann integral definition - the limit of a finite sum with a finite $\Delta x$ should be 0 if the limit of $\Delta x$ = 0, and my thinking expanded to limits more broadly without appropriate care to the notation. (And honestly, I should review the Riemann integral definition again to make sure it's saying what I think it's saying.)

    – TooOldToBeAskingThis Apr 29 '25 at 02:50
  • Where did you get your understanding? – Thomas Andrews Apr 29 '25 at 03:59
  • @TooOldToBeAskingThis, you did not "err in using the language of limits" at all; see my answer. – Mikhail Katz Apr 29 '25 at 06:14
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    "Infinitely close to" is meaningless until you provide a mathematical definition. Nonstandard analysis (addressed in other comments and in my answer) provides a definition, but it's not easy to grasp. – Ethan Bolker Apr 29 '25 at 11:10
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    @EthanBolker, the issue you are raising is important but it is a separate issue. The point is that this question asks about infinitesimals and lists the tag [tag:infinitesimals], whereas the question it is purportedly a duplicate of does not mention infinitesimals at all. Therefore it would be appropriate to reopen the present question. As far as the definition of infinitesimals: Leibniz defined an infinitesimal as a number smaller than every assignable (positive) number. In my teaching experience, students find this "easy to grasp". The definition in nonstandard analysis is similar. – Mikhail Katz Apr 29 '25 at 13:08
  • If you are actually interested in reifying "residual" infinitesimals (or infinities) then one way to understand such is via series similar to asymptotic expansions, e.g. so-called transseries, e.g. see this answer where I show such a calculation for $$\Large \underset{x\to\infty}{\lim} e^{e^{e^{e^{-e^{e^{x}}!-e^x-x+\color{#c00}a}}}}!!!-e^{e^{e^x}}! =, e^{\color{#c00}a}\qquad$$ – Bill Dubuque Apr 29 '25 at 23:33
  • When calculating the limit $f(x)$ as $x\rightarrow a$, where $a$ could be infinity, zero etc, we are not concerned if we can actually calculate $f(a)$ or not. The limit tells you what you would expect $f(a)$ to be, given the immediate neighbourhood of $a$. See also my answer: https://math.stackexchange.com/a/2966233/339958 – AccidentalTaylorExpansion Apr 30 '25 at 13:45
  • Not a duplicate, but this is reminiscent of Can infinitesimals be limits to sequences?. – Mark S. Apr 30 '25 at 14:55

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A key point is that the sentence "the limit approaches zero" is not properly phrased in the first place.

This is because the kind of object that can approach a number is a sequence, not a limit. The "limit of a sequence" is then defined to be the number that that sequence approaches.

Notice that a limit is defined as a number and as such, like any other number, might or might not equal zero, but it makes no sense to talk about it approaching zero or having some kind of infinitesimal value.

In terms of notation, the statements "the sequence $1/n$ approaches $0$" and "the limit $\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} 1/n$ equals $0$" both make sense and mean the same thing. On the other hand, the statement "the limit $\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} 1/n$ approaches $0$" is not meaningful as the verb "approaches" describes something that only a sequence can do, and so cannot apply to the number $\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} 1/n$,.

  • I like to use American football to explain this. If the defense draws a 10 yard penalty when the ball is already within 10 yards of the goal line the rules say that the ball is instead moved half the distance to the goal line. With this, no number of penalties result in crossing the goal line. The goal line is the limit. It stays put. It's the ball that's doing the approaching. It's distance from the limit is approaching zero. – candied_orange Apr 30 '25 at 01:19
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    @candied_orange hmm, being British, I have no way of understanding this analogy. What would it be in cricket terminology? – j4nd3r53n Apr 30 '25 at 08:23
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    @j4nd3r53n In cricket terminology, it'd be rugby. – candied_orange Apr 30 '25 at 08:32
  • Another phrase used is "approaches $0$ in the limit" or variations of that. – Henry Apr 30 '25 at 11:04
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    @j4nd3r53n I'm also British, but I don't think candied_orange's description of the rules is particularly hard to understand. "If the [defence] draws a 10 yard penalty when the ball is already within 10 yards of the goal line[,] the rules say that the ball is instead moved [towards the goal line by] half [of its current] distance to the goal line."

    So consider what would happen if this rule were applied repeatedly, ie. the ball is iteratively moved closer and closer to the line by 50% each time.

    – matt_rule May 01 '25 at 15:40
  • @matt_rule Zeno's paradox seems to assume a point object and a target without thickness, unlike a line painted on the ground. I wonder if crossing the goal line is defined as the c̶e̶n̶t̶r̶e̶ center of mass, the whole ball (in both of which cases the paradox applies as written) or any part of the ball (in which case we could get it across with enough halvings, depending on how the distance between ball and line is measured – Chris H May 02 '25 at 10:06
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That is, the limit is not defined to be 0 but rather approaches zero

No. The value of $\frac{1}{n}$ approaches zero but never reaches it.

But the limit is actually (by definition) the number that is approached, even if it is never reached.

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In this language, limits project from mixed finite and infinitesimal expressions to finite expressions, eliminating the infinitesimals. The result of evaluating a limit (for calculus of a real variable) is a real number, not an infinitesimal. (In the language of nonstandard analysis, limits give "standard parts" (real numbers). Caution: Do not dive down the nonstandard analysis rabbit hole until you have had a course in analysis and possibly one in abstract algebra.)

In a "typical" calculus class, you should not be thinking that infinitesimals are objects you calculate with -- they can be used to estimate, to approximate, and as mental modelling aids. They are neither quantities nor numbers and should not appear where quantities or numbers should appear.

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  • If I understand you correctly, you're saying that "evaluate $1/n$ as $n\rightarrow\infty$" yields the infinitesimal $dn$ but using the language $\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} 1/n$ implies additional constraints/assumptions s.t. the infinitesimal is eliminated?

    Also, I am aware that infinitesimals are not algebraic quantities which can be manipulated. I'm just trying to structure my thoughts regarding evaluations around infinities, and tie together concepts like infinitesimals and Riemann integration.

    – TooOldToBeAskingThis Apr 29 '25 at 01:49
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    Honestly, you should treat "evaluate $1/n$ as $n \rightarrow \infty$" as malformed. $1/n$ has a range of values on any interval and we seem to be talking about its values on an interval (of integers), so pretending it has a value is confused. When we add "limit", we are no longer talking about (necessarily) actual values of $1/n$ we are asking the verbal judo "what (single) value would it be forced to have by continuity if we could make a concrete limit approaching infinity?" – Eric Towers Apr 29 '25 at 01:52
  • One can also rephrase in terms of one-sided limits as: $$ \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} f(x) \qquad \mapsto \lim_{x \rightarrow 0^+} f(1/x) $$ and using the other one-sided limit for $x \rightarrow -\infty$ limits. Then we demand (one-sided) continuity at $0$. – Eric Towers Apr 29 '25 at 01:55
  • I believe you've sufficiently answered the question I asked, and a few that I probably should have asked as well; my confusion with infinitesimals is probably a symptom of asking the wrong question for what I wanted to know and misusing well-defined notation. Thanks for the quick response! – TooOldToBeAskingThis Apr 29 '25 at 02:53
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    Since the OP specifically used the tag [tag:infinitesimals], it is inappropriate to claim as you did that "They are neither quantities nor numbers and should not appear where quantities or numbers should appear." – Mikhail Katz Apr 29 '25 at 06:09
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    I'm not clear on what "this language" refers to? Better to clarify. – Daniel R. Collins Apr 29 '25 at 17:45
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An infinitesimal number (or quantity) $\epsilon$ can be thought of as the reciprocal (i.e., inverse) of an unlimited number $H$, in other words $\epsilon=\frac1{H}$. Leibniz thought of both such $\epsilon$ and $H$ as inassignable numbers. For an analysis of Leibnizian infinitesimals, see this recent publication:

Bair, J.; Błaszczyk, P.; Ely, R.; Katz, M.; Kuhlemann, K. "Procedures of Leibnizian infinitesimal calculus: An account in three modern frameworks." British Journal for the History of Mathematics 36 (2021), no. 3, 170-209. https://doi.org/10.1080/26375451.2020.1851120, https://arxiv.org/abs/2011.12628

Leibniz's distinction between assignable and inassignable numbers was formalized in Abraham Robinson's approach to infinitesimal analysis in terms of the distinction between standard and nonstandard numbers.

As far as the definition of infinitesimals: Leibniz defined an infinitesimal as a number smaller than every assignable (positive) number. In my teaching experience, students find this "easy to grasp". The definition in nonstandard analysis is similar: a positive infinitesimal is a number smaller than every standard positive number.

For every limited number $x$, its standard part or shadow (denoted "sh") is (as the name suggests) a standard number $r$, in other words $\text{sh}(x)=r$. The standard part of an infinitesimal is zero: sh$(\epsilon)=0$.

With these preliminaries, we can now say that the limit of a convergent sequence $(x_n)$ is the standard part of $x_H$ for an unlimited $H$: $$ \lim_{x\to\infty} x_n=\text{sh}(x_H^{\phantom{I}}). $$ For example, for the sequence $x_n=\frac1n$ we obtain that for an unlimited $H$, the term $\frac{1}{H}$ is infinitesimal and therefore its standard part is $0$ "on the nose". Thus, "residual infinitesimals" are indeed involved in evaluating a limit, but they disappear once we apply the standard part.

For an elementary axiomatic approach to infinitesimal analysis (that does not involve either the axiom of choice or ultrafilters), see this introduction.

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The limit itself is exact. It is only the value of the function you are limiting that tends to the limit value (or is possibly equal to it). This can be realised by analysing the $\epsilon$-$\delta$ definition of a limit. The definition is as follows: $$\lim_{x\rightarrow c} f(x) =L \iff \forall \, \epsilon > 0, \exists \, \delta > 0 \; s.t. \;0<|x - c| < \delta \longrightarrow |f(x) - L| < \epsilon$$ Or in words: The functional value must get closer to the limit value as the x value gets closer (but never equal to) c.

Looking at the last part ($|f(x) - L| < \epsilon$) you can see that it is the functional value that lies in the interval $(L-\epsilon,L+\epsilon)$ ,i.e., it can be equal to the limit or not equal to the limit in the interval $(c-\delta,c)\cup(c,c+\delta)$. That is, it may be equal to (or not) in the interval excluding the value at which the limit is evaluated.

Thus in your example $$\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} \frac{1}{n}$$ the value is 0 not an infinitesimal that tends to 0.

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    $(c-\delta,c)\cup(c,c+\delta)$ is not usually called "an interval", though once could call it "a deleted interval" or "a punctured interval". (Also, \cup makes $\cup$, not U.) – Mark S. Apr 29 '25 at 02:01
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A sequence is something that may (or may not) approach a number. For example, the sequence $1/n$ for $n \in \mathbb{N}$ approaches the number $0$, in the sense that the sequence gets arbitrarily close to $0$ if you go far enough in the sequence.

The limit operation $\lim$ is something which takes a sequence and produces a real number. Namely, if the sequence approaches a real number $r$, the limit of this sequence is the number $r$.

In symbols: a sequence has type $\mathbb{N} \to \mathbb{R}$, the limit operator has type $(\mathbb{N} \to \mathbb{R}) \to \mathbb{R}$, i.e. it takes a sequence as an argument and output a real number, and the limit of a particular sequence has type $\mathbb{R}$, i.e. it is a real number.

It's just a matter of keeping the types of different objects straight. The limit, if it exists, outputs an object of the type real number. Of course, it makes zero sense to say that one real number approaches another. The number $1/10$ does not "approach" the number $0$, the number $\sqrt{2}$ does not "approach" the number $-5$ etc.

You use the following example:

In the same sense that $\sup(a,b)=b$ despite $b \notin (a,b)$

Yes, this is precisely the same principle: $\sup X$ for a bounded set $X$ of real numbers is a real number, just like $\lim_{n \to \infty} 1/n$. You don't say that $\sup (0,1)$ "approaches" $1$ or that although $\sup (0,1) = 1$, there is some other sense of equality in which "strictly speaking" $\sup (0,1) \neq 1$. Mathematics does not distinguish between two categories of equality: those which hold but not "strictly speaking" and those which "hold strictly speaking". There is just equality and that's it.

Note also that why it is possible to build a theory of calculus which does genuinely admit infinitesimals, this simply a different theory than the ordinary calculus that the vast majority of people are taught in Calculus classes. It's not a more precise theory, it's just a different theory. In particular, the fact that you can set up such a theory with infinitesimals in no way implies that the ordinary theory is somehow imprecise or that it "strictly speaking" involves infinitesimals which are then ignored for "practical purposes" but "strictly speaking" should be there.

Ordinary calculus should not at all be thought of as involving some sort of imprecision regarding infinitely small quantities. On the contrary, ordinary calculus is extremely clear and precise about the matter: it states that no infinitely small quanties exist. It does not at all state that infinitely small quantities exist but can be "safely ignored for most purposes" or whatever.

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