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Let $0<p<1$. Prove that there is a one-to-one correspondence $\Lambda\leftrightarrow y$ between $(\ell^p)^*$ and $\ell^\infty$ given by

$$\Lambda (x) = \sum_{k=1}^\infty x(k)y(k)$$

Attempt

I am aware that this question has been answered in Proving that the dual of $\ell^p$ is $\ell^\infty$ for $0<p<1$., but I would like to insist on some details about it.

  1. I would like to know if this different approach I am giving is correct. Let us consider the map
    $$ f: \ell_1^* \cong \ell_{\infty} \to \ell_1^* \cong \ell_{\infty} $$ given by the restriction of $\Lambda \in \ell_1^* $ to $\ell_p$, that is, $f(\Lambda) := \Lambda|_{\ell_p}$. The map $f$ is surjective as a result of Hahn-Banach Theorem. Injectivity would follow if $\ell_p$ was dense in $\ell_1$. Therefore, my first question is: Is $\ell_p$ for $0<p<1$ dense in $\ell_1$?

  2. Let us now consider the proof using the expression for $\Lambda$.

It is clear that given $y \in \ell_{\infty}$, the map $\Lambda$ is linear and continuos and therefore $\Lambda \in \ell_p^*$. The issue is with the other part. Let $\Lambda \in \ell_p^*$. What I would like to prove is that for every $\Lambda$ I can find some $y \in \ell_{\infty}$ such that for every $x \in \ell_p$ we have $$\Lambda (x) = \sum_{k=1}^\infty x(k)y(k),$$ right? In the page I meantioned earlier there is a way I can do this. But, can I use somehow Hahn-Banach Theorem to prove this part? Using that $\ell_1$ is a locally convex topological vector space and the inclusion $\ell_p \subset \ell_1$ for $0<p<1$, we can deduce that there exists a map $\varphi \in \ell_1^*$ such that its restriction to $\ell_p$ is $\Lambda$, but we know as well that $$ \varphi (x) = \sum_{k=1}^\infty x(k)y(k), \ \forall x \in \ell_1,$$ for some $y \in \ell_{\infty}$. Therefore, using that $\varphi|_{\ell_p} = \Lambda$, we conclude that $$\Lambda (x) = \sum_{k=1}^\infty x(k)y(k), \ \forall x \in \ell_p,$$ for some $y \in \ell_{\infty}$. Is this correct? How do we know that every map in $\ell_p^*$ is of that form?

  1. Another doubt is: Does trying to prove isometry make sense in this exercise?

Any help is appreciated. Thank you.

Mths
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As a general remark, there are many different topologies you can put on $\ell_{p}$ to make it a topological vector space. Since $\ell_{p} \subseteq \ell_{1}$, one such topology $\tau_{1}$ is to consider the topology it induces from the usual norm on $\ell_{1}$. Another such topology $\tau_{d}$ is the one induced from the metric \begin{equation} d(x,y) = \sum_{n\in\mathbb{N}} |x(n) - y(n)|^{p}. \end{equation} This provides two different ways to consider $\ell_{p}$ as a topological vector space. The topologies are distinct as one is induced by a norm whereas the other is not. So it is not immediately clear at all that the topological dual spaces $(\ell_{p}, \tau_{1})^{*}$ and $(\ell_{p}, \tau_{d})^{*}$ would coincide as sets.

One. First of all, it's not particularly clear what the map $r$ is. However, it doesn't appear that you are using this and rather use some other map $f$ that has not been defined. As for your main question for this part, $\ell_{p}$ is indeed a dense subset of $\ell_{1}$. This follows from observing that $c_{00} \subseteq \ell_{p}$ and recalling that $c_{00}$ is dense in $\ell_{1}$.

Two. You cannot apply Hahn-Banach extension results directly to $(\ell_{p}, \tau_{d})$ because it is not a locally convex space. The main issue with your argument is the following. Suppose you take $\Lambda \in (\ell_{p}, \tau_{d})^{*}$. If $\Lambda \in (\ell_{p}, \tau_{1})^{*}$ then you can apply the locally convex structure of $\ell_{1}$ to conclude that there is a continuous (with respect to the norm on $\ell_{1}$) extension of $\Lambda$ to be defined on $\ell_{1}$. (Actually, you don't even need Hahn-Banach for this. Continuous linear functionals defined on a dense subspace of a normed space have a unique extension to the whole vector space via a density argument.) From there you can obtain your corresponding element of $\ell_{\infty}$ and show the element of $(\ell_{p}, \tau_{d})^{*}$ induced from that element of $\ell_{\infty}$ is equal to $\Lambda$. But as previously mentioned, it is not at all immediately clear how elements of $(\ell_{p}, \tau_{d})^{*}$ and $(\ell_{p}, \tau_{1})^{*}$ are related. This is the issue you would need to overcome in order to continue with your argument.

Three. The space $\ell_{\infty}$ has a metric structure coming from its usual norm. The question is whether $\ell_{p}^{*}$ has some reasonably natural metric structure as well in order to talk about whether or not the correspondence is an isometry. This is not immediately obvious, apart from of course directly using the correspondence to define a metric on $\ell_{p}^{*}$ that makes the correspondence an isometry. The natural topology to take on the topological dual of a topological vector space is the weak$^{*}$ topology. However, this topology is almost never induced by a metric. So you would have to try something else. I would suggest not to look too much into this as it doesn't appear to be that useful in this context.

Dean Miller
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  • Sorry, the map $r$ is the map $f$, I already corrected the mistake in the question. Using then that $\ell_p$ is dense in $\ell_1$, we have injectivity and hence this is a valid approach, right?

  • I get what you are saying. But, is it really possible to show this relation between both $(\ell_p, \tau_p)^$ and $(\ell_p, \tau_1)^$. Or, is it worth trying to solve this exercise in this way?

  • Would you say then that the two more natural approaches would be the one I wrote in the first part and the one appearing in the page I commented?

    – Mths Dec 14 '24 at 21:27
  • The topology I am considering for $\ell_p$ is $\tau_d$. I think now that $(1)$ is not a valid approach despite density because of the same reason as in $(2)$, right? – Mths Dec 14 '24 at 21:38
  • The main difficulty with your approach is that it appears to be based on some relation between the duals of $(\ell_{p}, \tau_{d})$ and $(\ell_{p}, \tau_{1})$. But such a relation is not immediately clear because of the striking differences between the topologies. I think your approach would only be natural if there was such a relation, but I don't see one. Furthermore, you are mainly using that $\ell_{1}$ norm on $\ell_{p}$ rather than the metric $d$, whereas since the metric is crucial to the definition of the topology $\tau_{d}$ it is reasonable to expect to make more explicit use of it. – Dean Miller Dec 21 '24 at 09:42
  • For that reason I would say the approach you linked is the more clear approach to take. As general advice, when you want to show two spaces are isomorphic or bijective, I would take a map from the space that is easier to describe ($\ell_{\infty}$ in this case), map it into the more complicated space $(\ell_{p}, \tau_{d})$ in this case) and show this map has the desired properties. This is essentially what is being done in the answer to the question you have linked. – Dean Miller Dec 21 '24 at 09:48