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In the new Simons Foundation video Terence Tao - From Rotating Needles to Stability of Waves: Local Smoothing... (November 29, 2023) after 01:15, Tao says:

In mathematics we describe waves by partial differential equations, and there are dozens and dozens of wave equations out there... I'm not going to list them all, but I just want to show you what two of them look like, at least to a mathematician.

  • The free wave equation $$\partial_{tt}u = \Delta u$$ where u : $\mathbf{R} \times \mathbf{R}^d \rightarrow \mathbf{R}$ is a scalar field;
  • The free Schrödinger equation $$\partial_{t}u = i\Delta u$$ where u : $\mathbf{R} \times \mathbf{R}^d \rightarrow \mathbf{C}$ is a complex field.

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Question: Terry Tao didn't list the "dozens and dozens of wave equations out there" in his talk, but is there such a list somewhere?

Presumably these include effects of dimensionality, nonlinearity etc. and are all defined by partial differential equations and perhaps include different definitions of "action" and conserved properties (energy, momentum, probability, etc.)

After 14:12:

.And it turns out that.. in fact all waves obey a principle of least action, it's just that different wave equations have different actions.

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  • I didn't add the [tag:big-list] tag because I made this a [tag:reference-request] question. But if someone has an SE/MathJax compatible big list ready, that would be a welcomed answer as well! – uhoh Dec 12 '23 at 23:03
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    suspect his blog shows several, https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2009/01/22/an-explicitly-solvable-nonlinear-wave-equation/ – Will Jagy Dec 12 '23 at 23:23
  • I don't think there is a list, and it would be a long list. Terry has mentioned two important ones. They vary in their initial values and the function $u(x,t)$ and of course, dimension. You cannot list all possible functions. – Marius S.L. Dec 12 '23 at 23:27
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    @MariusS.L. could be, but when I listen to Tao talk, he seems to always choose his words carefully and try to make every sentence accurate. "Dozens and dozens" doesn't feel cavalier or flippant; it sounds more like 50 to 100 different equations with non-trivial differences. I assume "out there" means discussed in the literature, not simply "possible" as you propose. With that definition of "out there" then perhaps there's been a review, in which case a list exists. – uhoh Dec 12 '23 at 23:44
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    @MariusS.L. and " I'm not going to list them all..." suggests to me at least that he feels that he feels listing the ones "out there" is indeed doable, otherwise he'd say something like "We can never list them all..." – uhoh Dec 12 '23 at 23:51
  • What are the characteristics an equation must have in order for it to qualify as a "wave equation"? – John Barber Dec 13 '23 at 01:56
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    General relativity alone contributes many, depending on the assumptions on the stress-energy tensor. – Deane Dec 13 '23 at 02:10
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    @JohnBarber, usually a wave equation is a second order PDE, where the linearization of the top order term looks roughly like $$u_{tt} - a^{ij}\partial^2_{x^ix^j}u,$$ where the $a^{ij}$ are the entries of a positive definitive symmetric matrix. – Deane Dec 13 '23 at 02:14
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    Another possible and more general definition of a wave equation is a PDE that has a well posed initial value problem and its solutions exhibit oscillatory behavior – Deane Dec 13 '23 at 02:19
  • @JohnBarber I'm sure Tao can answer what he feels qualifies, and it's possible we can find that within his talk. But I think that's a good enough question that it can be asked separately as a new question to see if other's have a different view. – uhoh Dec 13 '23 at 03:12

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Well, wave equations are generally second-order in time (although exceptions exist, e.g., the shallow-water equations, Dirac equation, etc.). However, instead of the Laplacian, wave equations can have more complicated spatial operators. For example, waves (with transverse displacement $w$) in an Euler-Bernoulli beam are described by

$$\frac{\partial^2 }{\partial x^2}\left(EI\cfrac{\partial^2 w}{\partial x^2}\right) = - \mu\cfrac{\partial^2 w}{\partial t^2}.$$

In case of a thin plate, the transverse displacement $\zeta$ satisfies the biharmonic equation

$$D\,\nabla^2\nabla^2 \zeta = -2\rho h \, \ddot{\zeta}.$$

The situation is more complicated when curved beams and shells are considered as the curvature couples the transverse and longitudinal displacements, and the general wave equation in classical elastodynamics is typically of the form

$$\frac{\partial^2\Psi}{\partial t^2} = \widehat{H}_\mathbf{x}\Psi.$$

Above, the operator $\widehat{H}_\mathbf{x}$ is usually Hermitian, but there are also classical systems where it is not (see, for instance, Section 3 of this paper). Additionally, $\Psi(\mathbf{x}, t)$ is a vector field (typically composed of displacements) that depends on the spatial coordinate $\mathbf{x}$ and time $t$. In elastodynamics, the form of $\widehat{H}_\mathbf{x}$ is usually dictated by the approximations one makes (e.g., what terms in the various strain expressions are important) while deriving the equations of equilibrium, and many such equations have been written down. For instance, Table 4 of this paper, lists five different equations for waves in a curved rod ("beam" in engineering literature). And this list is far from exhaustive.

Finally, although the above examples are all from elastodynamics, there are wave equations with similar complexity in fluid mechanics, electromagnetism, plasma physics, etc. Many of them are nonlinear as well.

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    speaking of thin plates: 1, 2 – uhoh Dec 13 '23 at 00:53
  • I'm curious why the operator in front of $\Psi$ should be Hermitian. In quantum mechanics, Hermiticity means the eigenvalues of the operator are real, which causes expectations values to be real. What does it mean in terms of this wave equation? – AccidentalTaylorExpansion Dec 13 '23 at 13:42
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    I should've mentioned that I was describing general wave equations in elastodynamics. In elastodynamics, the operator $\hat{H}$ is almost always Hermitian and it would have real coefficients. This way, after Fourier transforming in time, you get an eigenvalue equation with real eigenvalues $\omega$ (frequency of the normal modes): $\hat{H}\Psi + \omega^2\Psi = 0$. – B215826 Dec 13 '23 at 14:19
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I think an interesting categorization is into the following four categories.

The common factor:
partial derivation with respect to spatial coordinates and time coordinate.

  • Wave equation of newtonian mechanics:
    second derivative wrt spatial coordinate
    second derivative wrt time coordinate

  • Schrödinger equation:
    second derivative wrt spatial coordinate
    first derivative wrt time coordinate

  • Klein-Gordon equation:
    second derivative wrt spatial coordinates
    second derivative wrt time coordinate
    (Second derivative twice, as in the wave equation of newtonian mechanics, but the Klein-Gordon equation implements the Minkowski metric.)

  • Dirac equation:
    first derivative wrt spatial coordinates
    first derivative wrt time coordinate
    (implements Minkowski metric)



As far as I am aware of the following permutation does not occur in physics:
first derivative wrt spatial coordinates
second derivative wrt time coordinate

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  • This classification is not quite correct. There are thousands of wave equations that do not fit into any of these categories. Also, sometimes the Schrodinger equation is considered to be a diffusion equation rather than a wave equation. – B215826 Dec 13 '23 at 00:14
  • @B215826 It could help if you concretely mention just one of the thousands. Also, considering the Schrödinger eqation to be a diffusion equation, as Feynman did, is not rigorous. – Kurt G. Dec 13 '23 at 04:38
  • @KurG. Did you see my answer to OP's question? – B215826 Dec 13 '23 at 06:24
  • @B215826 . I did not realize first that that was your answer. +1 to both. Unfortunately the paper you link is not publicly accessible. Table 4 sounds interesting. On the other hand it is imho opinion based if changing the Hermitian operator leads to a new wave equation. The classification by Cleonis is correct, in particular because the Dirac equation is mentioned. – Kurt G. Dec 13 '23 at 10:29
  • @KurtG. Table 4 of that paper is only really interesting to engineers working on beams, but general curved-beam equations involve two coupled equations -- involving the transverse component $\xi$ and the longitudinal component $u$. When written as a single equation in $\xi$, it is usually sixth-order in $x$, the spatial coordinate along the rod -- in which category would I put such equations? – B215826 Dec 13 '23 at 10:36
  • @B215826 . One new category? Why thousands? – Kurt G. Dec 13 '23 at 10:58
  • @KurtG. Ah ok, fair enough. Linear wave equations from continuum mechanics can be put under one (or two) categories. But that still leaves out nonlinear equations.

    My point is that Cleonis's categorization using the spatial- and time-derivative orders will get out of hand pretty quickly once you consider equations from engineering and other applied sciences.

    – B215826 Dec 13 '23 at 11:02
  • @B215826 Before you leave on the Christmas vacation (surely well deserved) please allow me one more question: where can one learn about curved-beam equations? Mathematicians should be interested in engineering problems before they are allowed to go skiing. :) – Kurt G. Dec 13 '23 at 11:10
  • Curved-beam equations are a special case of curved thin-structure equations. They are described in many books on solid mechanics, e.g., Chapter 3 of this book. There are also some papers on the arXiv that are freely accessible. – B215826 Dec 13 '23 at 11:17