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This was one of the exercises in my textbook and I've been working on it for well over 10 hours over the span of 3 days without much progress. I don't think that it's even supposed to be a hard problem so I just give up at this point. (If it were a hard problem then I would have been more motivated knowing it's supposed to be a challenge). It asks

Assume that $n$ is a positive integer. Prove that if one chooses $n+1$ distinct odd integers from $\{1, 2, 3, \dots, 3n\}$ then at least one of these numbers will divide another.

This was on a section on the pigeonhole principle so I've used that in my failed attempts below. My goal was to find a formula for the $m$th box such every box included all the primes and composite numbers in the set. Earlier in the book, there was an example of a problem that asked something similar. It was about choosing 101 numbers from the set of numbers between 1 and 200. And there it was easy to consider the primes, after all, there were a known number of them. But in this problem, there is no way to accurately determine the number of primes between $0$ and $3n$, at least with my current knowledge.

Attempt 1

I first thought that you could simply put $n$ and $3n$ in the same box. But where do prime numbers greater than $n$ go? Where do multiples of $5$ go? They can't be a multiple of $3$, so this won't work.

Attempt 2

What if we considered the first $n$ odd numbers in the list? Every number greater than $n$ must be a product of these numbers. Oh, but what about the primes greater than $n$ again?

Attempt 3

At this point I realized something. Formulas for groups of numbers in the $m$th box can't have prime numbers. So what if the $m$th box contained the $m$th prime number? Then the rest of the numbers in the box could be multiples of this prime. Or they could be this prime times some other number to the $k$th power ($p_m \cdot c^k$). But where do numbers like $15$ and $25$ go? If $15$ goes into the box, then $25$ can't go in the same box because $15$ doesn't divide $25$. If $25$ goes in the box, then where does $15$ go?

Details I noticed while working on the exercise

Some of these may be repeats of what I've mentioned throughout the post.

  • Conjecture (could be wrong): One must choose at least one prime number. Then if this were true if we had the boxes containing the $m$th prime number then all we would have to do is prove that one other number had this prime number in its prime factorization.
  • Notice that $abc$ divides $abcd$. What if we used this property to our advantage? If some box had some number, then the other boxes could be a multiple of this number.
  • Again, since we don't know how many primes are in the set, then the boxes must be based on the primes. Right?
  • All odd numbers in $[2n-1, 3n]$ must be expressed as the products of numbers in $[1, 2n-1]$.
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Your attempt 1 is actually a correct approach.

Assume that for an odd integer $k$ not divisible by 3, box $k$ contains all the odd numbers from $\{1,2,\ldots, 3n\}$ that are of the form $3^ik$, where $i$ is a non-negative integer. Then among any two numbers in a box $k$, one divides the other.

For example box 1 contains all the numbers of form $3^i$ and box 5 all the numbers of form $5\cdot 3^i$

Now, you have box 1, box 5, box 7, box 11, box 13, box 17, etc, so the number of boxes is the number of odd integers in $\{1,\ldots, 3n\}$ that are not divisible by 3.

In case when $n$ is even, the number of odd integers is $3n/2$ and $n/2$ of them are divisible by 3, so the number of boxes is $n$.

In case when $n$ is odd the number of odd integers is $(3n+1)/2$ and $(n+1)/2$ of them are divisible by 3, so the number of boxes is again $n$.

So among your $n+1$ numbers at least two belong to the same box, say box $k$. Then one of the numbers is $3^ik$, another is $3^jk$, so clearly one divides another.

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  • If two positive numbers divide one another then they are equal. Perhaps I misunderstood your statement? – copper.hat Mar 27 '23 at 01:55
  • Maybe it is bad English on my side. Only one number divides another. In a pair {3,9} one number divides another, namely 3 divides 9. I will be happy to change the answer, if you have a better explanation in mind. – C614 Mar 27 '23 at 02:18
  • It is not bad English, just a little ambiguous (to me, at least). – copper.hat Mar 27 '23 at 02:51
  • Thank you for the explanation! But I'm curious to see your thought process. I just thought "This clearly isn't going to work. Let's try something else." and that's how I skipped the solution and spent much more time than I should have on this exercise. – iwjueph94rgytbhr Mar 27 '23 at 03:54
  • The thought process is based on the fact that I already saw a similar problem: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1493253/prove-using-induction-that-from-a-set-of-n1-numbers-from-1-2-2n-at-l?rq=1 . So something like this. There they had 2n numbers and put all numbers of form $2^ik$ into bin k. Here situation is quite similar, but you have roughly 3n/2 numbers, so bins can be a bit sparser, so I tried $3^ik$. – C614 Mar 27 '23 at 12:30
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So I personally had a similar idea to your first attempt. Suppose n = 3 that means the set we are looking at would be A = {1, 2, 3, 4, ..., 8, 3 * 3} because the last number is instantiated by 3n.

So according to the pigeon hole principle we just need to find n containers and m elements where m > n to state that there is at least one container with more than one element in it.

So I asked myself what are the containers and what are the elements? Since in the question asked we are picking exactly n + 1 odd elements that means in our example 3 + 1 are 4 odd elements.

So again what are the boxes and what are the elements? I noticed a pattern when I took the first 4 odd numbers in the set given above: {1, 3, 5, 9} the given pairs that would satisfy the requirement would be e.g. (1, 3), (3, 9): (k, 3k) where k <= n & 3k <= 3n.

I have deduced the formula (3n + 3n % 2) / 2 would give me number of total odd numbers in the set and (n + n % 2) / 2 would give me the number of k's that would satisfy the pair of (k, 3k).

So I noticed that ((3n + 3n % 2) / 2) - ((n + n % 2) / 2) = n. You can check it by looking at the cases if n is odd and if n is even.

The result of the difference is the number of odd numbers that do not satisfy k <= n & 3k <= 3k which means there is no valid pair of (k, 3k)

So n would be the number of boxes where the first element is always an odd number k and the second number is the triple of k. Since n is the number of k's that do not satisfy the requirements n + 1'th number would be the k that satisfies (k, 3k).

So lets pick 4 numbers: {1, 3, 5, 7} -> (1, 3), (1, 5), ..., (3, 9) where k <= n and 3 * k <= 3 * n.

Summary: Transform the set of numbers to 3n to a set only consisting of odd numbers. Divide the set of only consisting of odd numbers into two sets where a pair consists of (k, 3k) look at all k's or simply odd numbers in the set and check if k <= n. If not then the k will be later potentially be the tripled of a k that satisfies k <= 3.

So at the end we arrive to a conclusion that n pulls would take all potential 3k's and the n + 1'th pull would be the one k that we can put into the pair (k, 3k).

I hope this helps.

Martin
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