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This question was inspired by the following question.

https://mathoverflow.net/questions/132532/goldbachs-conjecture-and-eulers-idoneal-numbers

Here, we are not looking to factor an integer $N$. We are looking for solutions $n$ to the equation $n^2=pq+y^2$. It turns out that the solutions are many for a given $n$ and are easy to calculate. We need to use the following geometrical figure to help find $p,q,y$ that add up to $n^2$ according to the previous equation.

$$p$$ $$y\phantom{----}y$$ $$q$$

Then we multiply $p$ with $q$ and do the same with the $y's$ and add the result to get $n^2$.
At this point it's useful to choose an integer $n$ to show how the method works. Let $n=10$. We can write $n^2$ as $n^2=10\cdot10=4\cdot25=2\cdot50=5\cdot20$. At this point, we only consider $n^2=10\cdot10$. The factors of $n$ must have the same parity. We see that $n+n=20$. The solutions will use the following values for the pair $(p,q)$.
$$(p,q)=(1,19),(2,18),(3,17),(4,16),(5,15),(6,14),(7,13),(8,12),(9,11)$$

At this point we don't know which value of $y$ to choose. It turns out that we must have $y+p+y=q$ with the assumption that $q>p$, (by the way, this way to do the multiplications can be used even when $(y,y)$ is replaced by $(y,z)$ except in this case the result will not be $n^2$).

The first pair $(1,19)$ will provide a $y=9$. So we do the multiplication to get $1\cdot19+9^2=10^2$. The pair $(7,13)$ will provide $7\cdot13+3^2=10^2$.

To go through every pair we need to increase $p$ by $1$, decrease $q$ by $1$ to keep the same value for $p+q=20$. $(p,q)$ are not necessarily primes. The values for $y^2$ are $9^2,8^2,7^2,6^2,5^2,4^2,3^2,2^2,1^2$ given in the same order as the pairs $(p,q)$.

As stated in the link given above, "clearly, given a set of $y,p,q$, then $n^2−y^2=pq$ and it follows that $n=p+y$ and $n=q−y$. Hence, $2n=p+q$." Only pairs with both $(p,q)$ primes will contribute to the Goldbach conjecture.

I cannot prove that for a given $n$, we will always have pairs with both $(p,q)$ primes.

Does finding the solution to $n^2=pq+y^2$ help in any way with the Goldbach conjecture?

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    See this similar question. – Keith Backman Apr 14 '19 at 18:51
  • @KeithBackman, thanks for the link. The author did not provide a way to get the solutions to the $n^2=pq+y^2$. . – user25406 Apr 14 '19 at 19:01
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    surround the dashes with the \phantom{} command and you don't have to talk about them. –  Apr 15 '19 at 11:46
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    if $n^2=10^2$, $n=10$ not $10\cdot 10$. I uaed the \cdot command for multiplication. –  Apr 15 '19 at 13:48
  • thanks, corrected. – user25406 Apr 15 '19 at 14:31
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    Always remember that the Goldbach conjecture states that EVERY even number greater than $2$ is the sum of two primes. If the given even number $n$ is very very large , the larger prime of a representation must be at least $\frac{n}{2}$ , hence also very very large.and then it is not enough to simply rule out small factors. At some point we will even be unable to find a represeantation in practice , say for $n=10^{10^{100}}$. Therefore naive mainpulations won't help for Goldbach no matter how they look like. – Peter Jul 25 '22 at 09:53
  • not sure where the -2 related to this post came from. I am sick and tired of this. – user25406 Jul 25 '22 at 12:03

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The real problem with most algebraic manipulation, is it doesn't matter if p and q are prime. This means we have no real restriction on where to look, this manipulation is similar. Here are some other manipulations:

  • $2n=p+q$

  • $n+n=p+q$

  • $n-p=q-n=d$

  • $n^2-d^2=pq$

  • $p^2=n^2-2dn+d^2$

  • $q^2=n^2+2dn+d^2$

  • $\frac{p^2+q^2}{2}=n^2+d^2$

  • etc.

You can use p and q being odd primes, and properties of n to basically make some of these into case statements. Ex.

$$\begin{cases}p\equiv -q\bmod 6\qquad,\text{if } n\equiv 0 \bmod 6\\1\equiv p\equiv q\bmod 6\qquad,\text{if } n\equiv 1 \bmod 6\\5\equiv p\equiv q \bmod 6\qquad,\text{if } n\equiv 2 \bmod 6\\p\equiv -q\bmod 6\qquad,\text{if } n\equiv 3 \bmod 6\\1\equiv p \equiv q\bmod 6\qquad,\text{if } n\equiv 4 \bmod 6\\5\equiv p\equiv q \bmod 6\qquad,\text{if } n\equiv 5 \bmod 6\end{cases}$$

We also have that neither p or q can be prime divisors of n, because that breaks the distributive property and coprimality, when done with primes. In some cases $2n-3$ can be prime as well. If we could show more primes of certain types than gaps before it in certain arithmetic progressions, we could pigeonhole principle Goldbach's conjecture. But it's not that simple. There's never likely to be a simple algebraic manipulation, that will show it for all cases.

The other complexity is, almost any statement in math, has infinitely many manipulated forms. One of Fermat's little theorem, for example is the following: $$a^{k}\equiv a^{(p-1)x+k} \bmod p $$ gcd(p,a)=1; p a prime;and x any integer. This has infinitely many substitutions possible, including simple algebraic variable, and function substitutions.

  • I thought this problem is related to the distribution of semi-primes. I don't known if we have methods to calculate that distribution and how different it will be from the primes distribution itself. – user25406 Apr 16 '19 at 13:26
  • odd distinct semiprimes are the difference of two squares, but so are all numbers that are products of 2 same parity arguments. –  Apr 16 '19 at 14:05
  • Is the information you provided not enough to conclude that there are enough semi-primes to conclude that Goldbach conjecture is true? – user25406 Apr 16 '19 at 14:10
  • which version talks about semiprime density ? –  Apr 16 '19 at 14:16
  • I don't know if there is such a version but it seems that if we had enough semiprimes we can always find a pair $(p,q)$ to form $2n=p+q$. Just a thought. – user25406 Apr 16 '19 at 14:20
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    there's inherently a maximum on the number of pairs, and ir's reached at least once $\pi(n)-\omega(2n)$ –  Apr 16 '19 at 14:37