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I'm dealing with a puzzling problem and hope some of you can help me.

Let be $(G,\cdot ) $ be a Hausdorff-group and let $A,B \subseteq G$. Show that if $A$ is closed and $B$ is compact, then $AB$ is closed.

Due to I'm considering a topological Hausdorff-group, we have two continous maps: $\psi: G \times G \rightarrow G, (x,y) \mapsto xy$ and $ \phi: G \times G \rightarrow G, (x,y) \mapsto x{y}^{-1} $

My idea was to show that $(AB)^{c}$ is open instead.

First we observe, that if $A$ is closed, then $A^{c}$ is open and due to $\phi$ is continous $\phi^{-1}(A^{c})$ is also open.
Now let's choose an arbitrary $x \in (AB)^{c}$. We see that $\forall y \in B: \phi(x,y)=xy^{-1} \in A^{c}$. (because if it wasn't it would be in $A$ we could conclude $\psi(xy^{-1},y)=xy^{-1}y \in AB$, what would be opposed to the chosen x)

So we know that $\phi(x,y)=xy^{-1} \in A^{c} \Rightarrow (x,y) \in \phi^{-1}(A^{c})$, which is open.

Then we find neighbourhoods $U$ from $x$ and $V$ from $y$ such that: $\forall y \in B \exists U_{y} \exists V : (x,y) \in U_{y} \times V \subseteq \phi^{-1}(A^{c})$

If I could manage to show, that $U:= \cap_{y \in B} U_{y}$ is open (I don't know this, because it might be an infinite intersection) i think my proof is complete.

Because then I can show that $U \subseteq (AB)^{c}$, so that for arbitrary $x$ $(AB)^{c}$ is a neighbourhood of x. This means that $(AB)^{c}$ is open.

Can anybody give me a hint how I can show, that this intersection is finite? I suppose it must follow from the compactness of B, because I haven't used it yet, but I have no clue how?

Thank you!

pcalc
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    See https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/71983/product-of-compact-and-closed-in-topological-group-is-closed – peter a g Nov 07 '17 at 20:46
  • Hi! Thanks! I already know this thread, but I don't fully understand the way given there, so I tried to find my own solution. There are a couple of steps, which need to be made clearer, but I didn't overcome it. Maybe you have some further explainations for me? Or maybe another hint how this intersection can be finite? Thank you! – pcalc Nov 07 '17 at 22:14
  • I have closed this as a duplicate of the mentioned thread now so that not more answers are posted here but rather in the original thread. Also, the original request by the OP has been fulfilled (some time ago, hehe). – Martin Brandenburg Jan 26 '25 at 00:12

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It is basically the same proof as in a sequential space.

Let $(a_i, b_i) \in A \times B$ be a net with $a_i b_i \to c \in G$. Then, there is a subnet $b_{i_k}$ with $b_{i_k} \to b \in B$. Due to continuity the limit $$ a := \lim_k a_{i_k} = \lim_k (a_{i_k} b_{i_k}) b_{i_k}^{-1} = cb^{-1} \in A $$ exists and it follows $$ c = ab \in AB. $$

user251257
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  • Hi! Thanks four your respond! I don't really see how this solves my problem with the finite intersection. Maybe I've overseen something? – pcalc Nov 07 '17 at 22:15
  • @pcalc in your proof: the system ${V_y \mid y\in B}$ is an open cover of $B$. Now use compactness to select a finite sub cover. – user251257 Nov 07 '17 at 23:25
  • Yes, that's true! Due to the compactness of $B$ one can follow that there exists a finite subcover made up of some $V_{y}$. I'm not sure how I can follow that there also exists a finite number of $U_{y}$. Does the line $\forall y \in B \exists U_{y} \exists V_{y}: (x,y) \in U_{y} \times V_{y} \subseteq \phi^{-1}(A^{c})$ still hold, if I take a finite number of $U_{y}$ ? – pcalc Nov 08 '17 at 08:31
  • @pcalc the $U_y$ and $V_y$ come in pairs... if you only need finitely many $V_y$'s, you only need finitely many $U_y$'s. – user251257 Nov 08 '17 at 16:19
  • I think i got it! Thank you! – pcalc Nov 10 '17 at 17:10
  • How is the net defined? What is the directed set involved? How is the partial order ≼ defined? EDIT: I see. By net, you basically meant "sequence" rather than the more general "net". – Petra Axolotl Aug 28 '23 at 21:15
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I think we can use the Tube Lemma to solve this: Consider the continuous function $\phi:(x,y)\mapsto xy^{-1}$. Suppose $c\notin AB$, then $c\times B\subset \phi^{-1}(A^c)$. Since $B$ is compact, there is some neighborhood $W$ of $c$ s.t. $W\times B\subset\phi^{-1}(A^c)$, whence $WB^{-1}\subset A^c$.

Leynoid
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If you are a primitive ape like me, you can do this without any nets or Tube Lemmas. Here is how:

Take $z\in (AB)^C$. This means that for any $b\in B$, $zb^{-1}\not\in A$ and because $A$ is assumed to be closed, this implies that $zb^{-1}\in U_b$ where $U_b$ is open and does not intersect $A$. Now notice that $e\in z^{-1} U_b b$ and hence, by the usual properties of topological groups (see chapter 9 of Cohn's Measure Theory book- no greater book has seen the light of day), there is a neighborhood $V_b$ of the identity such that it is symmetric (i.e., $V_b=V_b^{-1}$) and:

$$e\in V_b\subseteq V_b V_b\subseteq z^{-1} U_b b$$

Now by compactness of $B$ we may assume that $B\subseteq \cup_{i=1}^{n} b_iV_{b_i}$. I claim that $V=z\cap_{i=1}^n V_{b_i}$ is a neighborhood of $z$ such that it does not intersect $AB$. If it did, there would exist $a\in A$, $b\in B$ and $i\in \cap_i V_{b_i}$ such that:

$$zi=ab\Rightarrow a= zi b^{-1}\in z V_{b_i}(b_iV_{b_i})^{-1}= zV_{b_i}V_{b_i}b_i^{-1}\subseteq z z^{-1}U_{b_i} b_i b^{-1}_i=U_{b_i}$$

Of course this is a contradiction as $a\in A$ and $U_{b_i}\cap A=\emptyset$. Hence, $(AB)^C$ is open and we are done!

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  • Notice that you repeat the argument of the Tube Lemma in a special case. (This is quite common in mathematics when one tries to "avoid" stuff.) – Martin Brandenburg Jan 26 '25 at 00:14