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If I have a ring $R$, a multiplicatively closed subset $U\subset R$, and consider an element of the localization: $\frac{r}{r'} \in U^{-1}R$, can I then assume without loss of generality that $r'\in U$?

If I'm not mistaken the definition only gives me that there exist some $r''\in R$ and $u,u'\in U$ such that $\frac{r}{r'}=\frac{r''}{u}$, that is: $u'ur=u'r'r''$, or in case of $R$ being an integral domain, just that $ur=r'r''$.

If I can't assume that $r'$ is in $U$, what would be a counterexample where this would get me into trouble?

Edit: Sorry, I mixed the symbols up at first. Should be correct now.

azureai
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  • I don't really understand. You agree that it's possible to write $r/r' = r''/u$. The expression $r''/u$ is the sort of thing you want. What's the issue? – Hoot Jul 01 '16 at 00:01

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Let $R$ be a integral domain and $S$ a closed multiplicative subset. Then one defines $$ S^{-1}R=\{(r,s):r\in R,s\in S\}/\sim $$ where $(r,s)\sim(r',s')$ iff $rs'=sr'$. This set happens to be a ring with the operations $$ (r,s)+(r',s'):=(rs'+r's,ss'),\hspace{.3cm}(r,s)(r',s'):=(rr',ss'). $$ As you can see, you get nothing but elements of $S$ in "the denominator" (the second coordinate).

If you have $R$ a ring that is not an integral domain, then the above relation $\sim$ no longer define an equivalence relation; you need to identify more elements. Now, $$ S^{-1}R:=\{(r,s):r\in R,s\in S\}/\sim' $$ where $(r,s)\sim'(r',s')$ iff it exists some $s''\in S:s''(rs')=s''(sr')$. The sum and product operations are defined exactly as before.

Still, as you can see, there is nothing but elements of $S$ in the denominator. The point is that the original set $S^{-1}R$ (viewed just a a set) contains just elements of the form $(r,s)$ for $r\in R$ and $s\in S$, and we are identifying some of them to obtain cosets (which we denote exactly as before but realising that $(r,s)=(rs',ss')$ for every $s\in S$) but this changes nothing cause any element you choose as the representative of your coset (element of ring) will belong to the original set $S^{-1}R$ (viewed just as a set).

Update: If the ideal $(0)$ is a prime ideal in $R$ (that is to say, if $R$ is an integral domain), then you might consider the localization at $(0)$, $S^{-1}R=:R_{(0)}$, where $S=R\setminus\{0\}$. This ring is called the field of fractions of $R$, usually denoted by $Q(R)$. Now, for every other multipicative set $S'\subset R$ you have $S'\subset S$ (given that $0\not\in S'$, but in that case $S'^{-1}R$ would be the trivial ring $\{0\}$, so let's obvious that case). Here you have a natural application $\varphi:S'^{-1}R\to S^{-1}R=Q(R)$ given by $\varphi(r,s)=(r,s)$, that is well defined because $\varphi(r,s)=\varphi(rs',ss')$ for $s'\in S'$. Actually this application is a ring homomorphism. Still, in $S^{-1}R$ you have more elements identified (cause $S$ is bigger than $S'$), and it might happen that for one element $a=\varphi(r,s)\in S^{-1}R$ there are some representative in $S^{-1}R$ that doesn't belong to $S'^{-1}R$. This is not odd. Even if we can think of $S'^{-1}R$ as a subring of $S^{-1}R$, the sets $S'^{-1}R$ and $S^{-1}R$ are different.

  • Yes this makes sense. But I think where my problem comes from is that we considered $S^{-1}R$ as a subset of $Quot(R)$. Then I run into funny things like $\frac{15}{10}=\frac{3}{2}\in \mathbb{Z}_{(5)}$, where $10$ is not in $S$, so I have a representation of ab object in $S^{-1}R$ where $r\notin S$, and this still gives me trouble to understand. Assume I take said element from the localization while in the quotient ring, can I then w.l.o.g assume that $r\in S$? – azureai Jun 30 '16 at 23:13
  • @see That should solve your confussion –  Jul 01 '16 at 00:02
  • So the essence of your post is that for every $\frac{r}{r'}\in S^{-1}R$ one has indeed $r'\in S$, and that in the case of $\mathbb{Z}{(5)}\subset{\mathbb{Q}}$ one has $\frac{15}{10}\notin \mathbb{Z}{(5)}$, i.e. it is different from the element $\frac{15}{10}=\frac{3}{2}\in \mathbb{Q}$? So if one would take formalism very seriously, one would always make clear from which localization the element was taken? – azureai Jul 04 '16 at 00:21
  • @see What i'm saying it that $15/10$ does not make sense in $\mathbb{Z}{(5)}$, i.e. does not exist there. This is only from a set point of view. The thing os that you only care for $S^{-1}R$ as a ring, and then yes, if you see $\mathbb{Z}{(5)}$ in $\mathbb{Q}$ then you can say that $15/10=3/2$ cause they are the same element of the ring $\mathbb{Q}$. So, yes when you talk about sets you might be very formalist and point out that difference, but it just dont matter from a ring point of view –  Jul 04 '16 at 01:54
  • Looking at localizations of $\mathbb Z$ does not give much insight, since subtle things start happening in non-normal domains. I will soon edit my answer and give more details. – MooS Jul 04 '16 at 09:16
  • @Moos I'd give you another +1. Good answer! –  Jul 04 '16 at 11:12
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You should be clear what you mean by the fraction. In general, if one writes $\frac{r}{s}$ where $r,s\in R$ for some (commutative) ring $R$, then it is implicitly assumed that the denominator $s$ is in the unit group of the rings.

Starting with a commutative ring $R$ and a multiplicative subset $S$, one can construct the localization $S^{-1}R$ of $R$ with respect to $S$. This new ring comes together with a canonical map $R\to S^{-1}R$ which is not necessarily injective. However in general one denotes the image of an element $r\in R$ simply by $r$ (the context making clear in which ring this element is considered). The notation $\frac{r}{1}$ is also used and does make clear that one works in the localization.

The image of an element $s\in S$ in $S^{-1}R$ is by construction a unit. That is why it makes sense to write $\frac{x}{s}$ inside $S^{-1}R$ and in fact all elements of $S^{-1}R$ are of the form $\frac{r}{s} = \frac{r}{1}\cdot (\frac{s}{1})^{-1}$ with $r\in R$ and $s\in S$.

If you mean by $\frac{r}{s}$ the class of $(r,s)\in R\times S$ under the equivalence relation that defines the localization, then by definition(!) the element $s$ should be in $S$. But this notation is compatible with the more general situation described above (the element that would be written by $\frac{1}{s}$ is indeed the multiplicative inverse of $\frac{s}{1}$).

AYK
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What he asks is the following:

Given $\frac{r}{s}$ in the total ring of fractions of $R$. If it happens to be that $\frac{r}{s} \in U^{-1}R$ for some multiplicative system $U$, can we deduce $s \in U$.

The answer is clearly NO.


Let $R$ be a noetherian domain. By Krull's principal ideal theorem, any non-unit $r \in R$ is contained in a prime of height $1$, i.e. the intersection of all $S = R \setminus P$, where $P$ ranges through all primes of height $1$ is the set of units.

From this - given a statement like $\frac{r}{s} \in S^{-1}R \Longrightarrow s \in S$ - we would easily deduce $R = \bigcap\limits_{\operatorname{ht} P=1}R_P$: If $\frac{r}{s} \in R_P$ for all primes of height $1$, we would get that $s$ is contained in the interesction of all $R \setminus P$, i.e. in the set of units. But this equality happens to be false for some non-normal domains, i.e. such an argument is deadly wrong.


This is actually more subtle as one would think. The false assumption, that one could argue like this, leads to false proofs of a correct statement, which are though accepted and upvoted here...Luckily, there exist correct proofs, too.

MooS
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  • Alright this only adds to my confusion. I thought I finally understood it. Doesn't your annswer contradict the two answers above? – azureai Jul 04 '16 at 10:11
  • Of course this contradicts the other answers. As you can see in my linked questions, there are many experienced algebraists, who believe that it is correct to argue like this. – MooS Jul 04 '16 at 10:13
  • I have read through the other answers again and they are fine. But they do not really adress the question. Of course, if you consider one single localization $S^{-1}R$, then the denominators are contained in $S$ by definition of the localization. But if you consider all localizations of a domain as subrings of the field of fractions, it can happen that some fraction is contained in a certain localization, even though its denominator seems to contradict this. – MooS Jul 04 '16 at 11:13