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Question: This is the last part of a 5 part question I am working on. Let $(X,\mu)$ be a possibly infinite measure space. Assume $\exists r < \infty$ with $\|f\|_r < \infty$ and that $\|f \|_{\infty} < \infty$. Show that $\lim_{p \rightarrow \infty} \|f_p\| = \|f\|_{\infty}$.

This is from Real and Complex by Rudin, chapter 3 exercise 14.

Progress: I have shown that $\|f\|_{\infty} \le \lim_{p \rightarrow \infty} \|f\|_p$ as follows,

Fix $\epsilon > 0$. Let $E = \{x : |f(x)| > \|f\|_{\infty} - \epsilon \}$. Then observe $$ \|f\|_p \ge \left( \int_{E} |f|^p d\mu \right)^{1/p} > \left( \int_{E}(\| f \|_{\infty} - \epsilon)^{p} d\mu \right)^{1/p} = \left( \|f\|_{\infty} - \epsilon \right) \mu(E)^{1/p}, $$ thus, $\lim_{p \rightarrow \infty} \|f\|_p \ge \|f\|_{\infty} - \epsilon$ since $\mu(E) < \infty$.

I attempted something similar for the other direction, but could not say the measure of a set was finite like (I think) I need for this argument to work. Here is what I tried:

Since $\|f\|_r < \infty, \exists R$ so that $|x| > R \implies f(x) < \frac{1}{2}$. Let $A = \{ x : |x| \le R \}$ and $B = \{x : |x| > R \}$. Then, $$\|f\|_{p} \le \left( \int_{A} |f|^p d \mu + \int_{B} \frac{1}{2^p} d\mu\right)^{1/p} = \left( \int_{A} |f|^p d\mu + \frac{1}{2^p} \mu( B ) \right)^{1/p}.$$

If $\mu(B) < \infty$ this can easily show the desired result. Moreover, if I could show that there is a family of sets $\{B_p\}$ that act similarly so that $\mu(B_p)$ grows slower than $e^p$, then I can also complete the proof.

Thoughts?

Filburt
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mlg4080
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  • I was trying to find somewhere on the site where this was already asked, and could not find it. However, now that you found it for me, I don't see how they showed this direction. It reads,

    $$|f|p \le \left( \int{X} |f(x)|^{p-q} |f(x)|^{q} d\mu \right)^{1/p} \le |f|{\infty}^{\frac{p-q}{p}}|f|{q}^{q/p}.$$

    I think the first inequality should just be an equality OR they intended $|f(x)|^{p-q}$ to be $|f|_{\infty}^{p-q}$. Even in this latter case, I do not see how the 2nd inequality follows.

    – mlg4080 Feb 17 '14 at 01:04
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    The second inequality is straightforward: all that is happening is that the first $|f(x)|$ is bounded by $|f|_\infty$. – Martin Argerami Feb 17 '14 at 01:13
  • Wow. Of course. Thank you. I had convinced myself it should be via Holder. (As did the answer below... because as I now see it's a very simple case of Holder's.) – mlg4080 Feb 17 '14 at 01:16
  • But it is Hölder. I answered on the comment to my answer. – Martin Argerami Feb 17 '14 at 01:17
  • This is part e) (5) of Question 4 from Chapter 3 Exercises of Rudin Real and Complex Analysis (RCA Exercise 3.4.e). Adding this comment so it can be easier to find this question while searching via search engines. It took me some time to find this. – texmex Jul 12 '23 at 04:26

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For the first part you have to use $\liminf$, as you don't still know that the limit exists.

For the second part, you are thinking as if $X$ was $\mathbb R^n$, which it might not be. One way of attacking the problem along your line of thought would be to assume $\|f\|_\infty=1$ (i.e., work with $f/\|f\|_\infty$). Then, for $p>r$, $$ \left(\int_X|f|^pd\mu\right)^{1/p}\leq\left(\int_X|f|^rd\mu\right)^{1/p}=\|f\|_r^{r/p} $$ Then $$ \limsup_{p\to\infty}\|f\|_p\leq1. $$ Now you can scale back with $\|f\|_\infty$ to get $$ \limsup_{p\to\infty}\|f\|_p\leq\|f\|_\infty. $$

Another way of doing this second part is to use Hölder's inequality: $$ \|f\|_p^p=\int_X|f|^pd\mu=\int_X|f|^r|f|^{p-r}d\mu\leq \|f\|_\infty^{p-r}\,\|f\|_r^r. $$ So $$ \limsup_{p\to\infty}\|f\|_p\leq\limsup_{p\to\infty}\|f\|_\infty^{(p-r)/p}\,\|f\|_r^{r/p}=\|f\|_\infty. $$

Martin Argerami
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  • I like your first way. I feel silly for not thinking of passing to $r$ with how much time I spent on this. Also, for the latter, does Holder's inequality hold for $1 \le p \le \infty?$ I've only seen it for $1 < p < \infty$. – mlg4080 Feb 17 '14 at 01:15
  • Yes, Hölder holds for $1,\infty$ too. The proof is straightforward: $$ \int |f|,|g|\leq\int |f|\infty,|g|=|f|\infty,\int|g|=|f|_\infty,|g|_1.$$ – Martin Argerami Feb 17 '14 at 01:16
  • Thanks for the answer(s) and clarifications. Helps a lot! – mlg4080 Feb 17 '14 at 01:18
  • You are very welcome. Most of us love users who post thoughtful questions. – Martin Argerami Feb 17 '14 at 02:01