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Consider these two sets of odd positive integers.

SET 1 :

constructed by these rules :

a) $1$ is in the set.

b) if $x$ is in the set, then so is $2 x + 1$.

c) if $x$ and $y$ are in the set then so is $xy$.

This set or sequence starts like

$$1,3,7,9,15,19,21,27,31,39,43,45,49,55,57,63,79,81,87,91,93,99,...$$

SET 2 :

constructed by these rules :

  1. $1$ is in the set.

  2. if $a$ is in the set, then so is $2 a + 5$.

  3. if $a$ and $b$ are in the set then so is $ab$.

Let $\pi_1(n)$ be the counting function for numbers in the set SET1 up to $n$. Let $\pi_5(n)$ be the counting function for numbers in the set SET2 up to $n$.

If we consider $\mod 10$ (or the last digit) we see that SET1 can have integers of type

$$1,3,5,7,9 \mod 10$$

And likewise SET2 can have integers of type

$$1,3,7,9 \mod 10$$

Indeed SET2 can never have multiples of $5$ by the way it is constructed.

So one set has 5 residu and the other 4.

The growth rate of both sets are an interesting question. And the potential similarities between them.

Some will argue that SET1 has a limiting density of 1 for the odd integers. And/or a limiting density of 1 for all these odd residu mod 10.

Some will probably argue that SET2 grows much faster because $2x + 1 < 2 x + 5$ , while others will expect about the same growth rate.

The questions about SET1 have already been posted and argued here :

Density of extended Mersenne numbers?

https://mathoverflow.net/questions/440747/density-of-extended-mersenne-numbers

So I post this somewhat follow-up for SET2.

I will not ask how fast it grows or what its exact density is by itself. Rather I wonder how it relates to the other set.

QUESTION 1 :

Do we have

$$ \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{\pi_1(n)}{\pi_5(n)} = \frac{5}{4} $$

??

QUESTION 2 :

Do we ever have

$$\pi_1(m) = \pi_5(m)$$

for $m>2$

??

Plots are welcome too !


added :

For SET2 we have a similar property as for SET1

$2 a + 5$ maps $1 \mod 4$ to $3 \mod 4$, and maps $3 \mod 4$ to $3 \mod 4$ !!

So primes $1 \mod 4$ are a key thing here !!

those primes $1 \mod 4$ cannot be reached.


Added :

If I am not mistaken SET2 starts as

$$1,7,19,43,49,91,103,133,187,211,271,301,343,361,379,..$$

mick
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    What have you found so far? You've (helpfully) posted a list of the numbers in $\text{SET}1$, but it might be useful to see a similar list for $\text{SET}2$, and some values of the ratio of the counting functions too. It seems the second set will be much more sparse than the first. – Chris Lewis Jul 06 '24 at 20:16
  • @ChrisLewis see the edit. at the 15th term we get a ratio of $379/57$ or $6.64..$. But probably this ratio goes down ?? – mick Jul 06 '24 at 20:59
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    I calculated $\pi_1(10^5)=14739$ and $\pi_5(10^5)=685$. – anankElpis Jul 06 '24 at 22:27
  • @anankElpis thanks – mick Jul 07 '24 at 22:00

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