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Noether's theorem informally states something like "symmetries in the dynamical law imply conserved quantities". However, the theorem is generally stated in terms of physics-specific classes of dynamical systems such as Lagrangian or Hamiltonian dynamics.

I'm not a physicist and I am curious whether the result generalizes to non-physical dynamical systems. E.g. we can ask whether cellular automata satisfy conservation laws. Moreover, I think if I had a more general formulation of Noether's theorem that didn't rely on a lot of physics-specific details, I'd understand it better even in a physics context.

The most general formulation of a dynamical system I know is a tuple $(T, X, \Phi)$ where $T$ is a monoid (representing the time domain, e.g. $\mathbb R$ for continuous time, or $\mathbb Z$ for discrete time), $X$ is a non-empty set (state space) and $\Phi$ is a function $\Phi :(T\times X)\to X$ (the dynamical law).

Is there a generalization of Noether's theorem that doesn't assume anything (or at least makes minimal assumptions) about the dynamical system? Possibly not even that state space and time are continuous, so that the result applies directly to e.g. cellular automata?

user56834
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  • For perspectives on dynamical systems that are even more general than you are suggesting see https://math.stackexchange.com/q/626927/169085 and the second part of my answer at https://math.stackexchange.com/q/4132091/169085. – Alp Uzman Jul 14 '22 at 20:22
  • It might also be good to give more details as to what constitutes an acceptable generalization of Noether's Theorem for you (e.g. in the CA survey you link there are already some references for Noether's Theorems for CA). – Alp Uzman Jul 14 '22 at 20:25
  • Of course it's likely that what a Noether's Theorem really is is part of the question. – Alp Uzman Jul 14 '22 at 20:25
  • A candidate would be of the following form: Let $X,T,L,V$ be objects such that $L:X\to V$, $Aut(L)\leq End(X)$ and let $\alpha^L,\sigma:T\to End(X)$. Then say that a Noether Theorem is satisfied if whenever $\sigma$ takes values in $Aut(L)$, there is an $N(L,\sigma):X/{\alpha^L}\to V$. Here $X,T,L,V,\alpha^L,\sigma,X/{\alpha^L}$ are the space, time, Lagrangian, observable values, the time evolution defined by $L$, $\sigma$ symmetries of L, and the orbit space, respectively. – Alp Uzman Jul 14 '22 at 20:49
  • For a more practical approach, e.g. the classical Krylov-Bogoliubov Theorem says that any homeomorphism of a compact metric space has an invariant probability measure, however for "dynamically significant" invariant measures (e.g. an SRB measure or a measure of maximal entropy) more sophisticated arguments (and hypotheses) are needed. Even though there are certain recipes as to what "dynamical significance" ought to mean (see e.g. Milnor's notes https://www.math.stonybrook.edu/~jack/DYNOTES/dn3.pdf), there doesn't seem to be a recipe for recipes. – Alp Uzman Jul 14 '22 at 20:55
  • "It might also be good to give more details as to what constitutes an acceptable generalization of Noether's Theorem for you (e.g. in the CA survey you link there are already some references for Noether's Theorems for CA)."

    In the most ideal case, there could be a theorem which literally if you apply it to continous-time and continous- (euclidean?) space with a Lagrangian formulation, you get back the standard Noether's theorem, but when you apply it to a cellular automaton gives you some interesting conservation law as well. I don't know if this is possible. Otherwise, ...

    – user56834 Jul 17 '22 at 09:50
  • Otherwise, maybe an "analogous" theorem in cellular automata which basically captures the same idea would be kind of interesting too, as you point to in those references. Those aren't exactly a generalization, just an analogous thing. I honestly couldn't really understand some of those references, but based on superficially reading them they seem not very general. – user56834 Jul 17 '22 at 09:53

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Here is a really simple version of Noether's theorem valid for completely arbitrary dynamical systems: if $X$ is a set being acted on by an arbitrary "time monoid" $M$, and $G$ is a group of symmetries of $X$ (meaning it commutes with the action of $M$), then consider the partition of this dynamical system into a disjoint union of orbits for the action of $G$.

Proposition: Time evolution leaves invariant what $G$-orbit a point $x \in X$ is in.

So, if you like, here the "conserved quantities" are given by the indicator functions of each orbit. This may not seem impressive but I claim it is the correct analogue of Noether's theorem in this extremely general setting. One reason I believe this is that we already get something much closer to Noether's theorem by assuming that $X$ is a vector space rather than a set.

Namely, let $V$ be a vector space, again being acted on by an arbitrary "time monoid" $M$, now with the condition that the elements of $M$ act by linear maps. Let $G$ be a group of invertible linear maps acting on $V$ commuting with the action of $M$.

Proposition: Time evolution leaves invariant what $G$-invariant subspaces a point $v \in V$ is in. In particular, if $v \in V$ lies in a subspace which is irreducible as a representation of $G$, then time evolution keeps $v$ in this representation.

This is close to the "quantum Noether's theorem," which I think is actually easier to understand than the classical theorem. In quantum mechanics $V$ is a Hilbert space of "wave functions" like $L^2(\mathbb{R}^3)$ and $G$ is, for example, a group like $SO(3)$ acting on $\mathbb{R}^3$ by rotations. This choice of $G$ recovers a version of conservation of angular momentum. There is a whole philosophy in physics about using irreducible representations in this way; you can see a bit more about it here.

To get the real quantum Noether's theorem from here requires Stone's theorem on one-parameter unitary groups, which allows us to convert one-parameter subgroups of $G$ (equivalently, elements of the Lie algebra $\mathfrak{g}$) into observables (equivalently, self-adjoint operators) commuting with time evolution, together with possibly Wigner's theorem to really justify restricting attention to the case that $G$ acts by unitary operators. From here the classical Noether's theorem is in some sense a classical limit of the quantum one.

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  • If this is indeed the correct generalization, would this imply that we can just prove the original Noether's theorem from this general result? – user56834 Dec 25 '24 at 06:32