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Currently going through Simpson's "Subsystems of second order arithmetic", which I believe is the ultimate reference in reverse mathematics, after having completed (more like peeked) Stillwell's "Reverse Mathematics". However, I'm having some troubles following his foundations and his approach to set theory.

After some (slightly odd) remarks about the distinction between what he calls set-theoretic and non-set-theoretic (or ordinary) mathematics, he states

In this book we want to restrict our attention to ordinary, non-set-theoretic mathematics. The reason for this restriction is that the set existence axioms which are needed for set-theoretic mathematics are likely to be much stronger than those which are needed for ordinary mathematics.

which is true in light of the approach he's going to take to distinguish the different axiomatic systems. But, right after that, he starts talking about sets, set variables, set memberships, the natural numbers set, etc. without giving a construction or explaining how these are supposed to work, since obviously this cannot be ZF.

The question is how can we formalize this idea of sets and their properties without giving them too much power to actually be unable to create different axiomatic systems that are not equivalent. My bet is ZF without the axiom of specification (and possibly replacement, but I might be totally wrong about this) should suffice, since then we can add the suitable comprehension axioms without them being already "true" by the set theory axiomatic, but I haven't found any discussion about this topic.

cronos2
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The answer is in the name of the book.

The system described is equivalent to a particular (monadic) second-order theory using Henkin semantics.

Instead of talking about "sets", Simpson could have instead talked about predicate variables (which would be better in my opinion...) Using uppercase to refer to predicate variables and lowercase to refer to number variables to disambiguate, Simpson could have written comprehension, say, as: $$\exists P.\forall n.P(n)\leftrightarrow \varphi(n)$$ where $\varphi$ is a formula not containing $P$ freely. It is clear what operations you can perform on predicate variables. Namely, given a predicate variable $P$, the only thing you can do with it is apply it to a number term. There's no need to provide a "construction" of these anymore than there is a need to provide a "construction" of "number" variables (which Simpson also doesn't do).

As usual for a logic, Simpson provides a semantics which interprets this formal syntax into set theoretic terms. In this semantics, you get to choose what "number" variables refer to by choosing the semantic domain which could have nothing to do with natural numbers. The question remains on how to interpret predicate variables. The common options are Henkin semantics and full (or standard) semantics. In both of the semantics, we interpret predicate variables as subsets of the domain and $P(n)$, for example, if the interpretation of $n$ is a member of the interpretation of $P$. The difference between Henkin semantics and full semantics is simply whether you get to choose which subsets are allowable interpretations for predicate variables (Henkin semantics), or if any subset of the domain is always allowed (full semantics). In other words, for Henkin semantics you select a subset $\mathcal S\subseteq \mathcal P(D)$ where $D$ is the domain (for "number" variables), and for full semantics we require $\mathcal S = \mathcal P(D)$.

This more logical rendition makes it more clear that the "sets" of $Z_2$ have nothing a priori to do with set-theoretic sets just like the "numbers" have no a priori relation to natural numbers. The semantics connects it to set theory, but we could use other semantics such as categorical semantics that don't interpret things as (sub)sets, or we could eschew semantics entirely and only work with the proof theory.

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I'm not sure I've understood your question correctly, but let me take a stab at it:

The short version is that we can develop RCA$_0$ (and any other theory, for that matter) entirely "autonomously," at least as far as the formalism is concerned, in the same way that ZF itself is developed.

You write:

But, right after that, he starts talking about sets, set variables, set memberships, the natural numbers set, etc. without giving a construction or explaining how these are supposed to work.

The development is exactly parallel to that of ZF. We begin with $(i)$ a formal syntax and $(ii)$ an informal semantics, where we talk about sets, elements, etc.; we then $(iii)$ write a formal theory in our syntax meant to (more-or-less) capture those intuitions. Only steps $(i)$ and $(iii)$ are actually needed; step $(ii)$ is "just" providing motivation and intuition. Note that in setting up ZF, we use the word "set" without any formal system already defining it, that is, we use it as an intuitive indicator rather than a technical term.

Reverse mathematics develops similarly. Just as "set" and "element of" are primitive terms in ZF, RCA$_0$ (and similar systems) have as undefined terms "natural number," "set (of natural numbers)," "plus," "times," and "element of." We "come in" with various intuitions about how these should behave, and then write down a specific set of axioms which forms RCA$_0$.

This brings us to the point when you argue that we should have an "ambient set theory,"

since then we can add the suitable comprehension axioms without them being already "true" by the set theory axiomatic.

I think what's going on here is that you are objecting to the decision to include a sentence as an axiom of RCA$_0$ without first showing that it is true according to some larger system. But the theory is autonomous - we don't need to appeal to anything other than intuition when we set up RCA$_0$, any more than when we set up ZF. This is not to say that an ambient set theory is never useful, but rather that it's not necessary for the development of reverse mathematics.

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  • I guess I didn't express myself correctly, so let me try again. My concern is that, concerning the sets that are discussed for the foundations/definition of Z_2 (in the book) there is (i) and (ii), but not (iii). Of course I know what they are meant to be or how they are meant to behave since they're used in elementary ways, but the question remains, can we formalize those "sets" from, say, a restricted ZF as I suggested? Or, to the contrary, we need to assume all these different notions as givens and hope that they are not ill-behaved so our intuition about them works? [1/2] – cronos2 Apr 08 '19 at 23:20
  • As for the ambient set theory, I think it partially covers my concerns. I have no problem at all with adding the comprehension axiom to RCA_0 (as long as it's consistent and all that), my point is that I want to know what to expect when I say such a set exists (in terms of the rules they must follow) and not get a bunch of vague malarkey. So yes, I think there should be such an ambient set theory which defines what are their properties/rules/whatever, but it actually shouldn't be able to prove, say, the ACA_0 comprehension axiom, because then that notion of sets would be too powerful. – cronos2 Apr 08 '19 at 23:28
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    @cronos2 "concerning the sets that are discussed for the foundations/definition of Z_2 (in the book) there is (i) and (ii), but not (iii). " What? The axioms of Z2 itself are exactly (iii). "I want to know what to expect when I say such a set exists (in terms of the rules they must follow) and not get a bunch of vague malarkey." I really don't understand this. The axioms of Z2 are perfectly precise and tell you exactly what to expect; can you clarify why you consider them vague? (cont'd) – Noah Schweber Apr 09 '19 at 01:01
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    Or are you worried about the sentences we write down having unintended consequences (= letting us prove formal strings which, when interpreted as "things about sets," don't accord with our pre-formal intuition about sets? Or do you not see how to express (say) $\Delta^0_1$-comprehension in the formal language being used? (And I'd avoid using terms like "vague malarkey," for what it's worth.) – Noah Schweber Apr 09 '19 at 01:01
  • Really stupid question on my part, but when you say RCA0 or ZF can be developed "autonomously", does this mean (1) using the respective theory itself as the metalanguage as well as the object language, or (2) using first-order-logic (or primitive recursive arithmetic?) as the metalanguage? Or is the metalanguage - object language distinction completely irrelevant here? Or should I be thinking about "metatheories" and "object theories" here instead of "metalanguages" and "object languages"? – Chill2Macht Jun 19 '22 at 13:06
  • @Chill2Macht I just mean that in the same way that naive intuitions about sets can motivate $\mathsf{ZFC}$, naive intuition about sets of natural numbers and computability can motivate $\mathsf{RCA_0}$ without any appeal to "large-scale-sets" a la $\mathsf{ZFC}$. I guess that's in line with your (1), but my whole point here is to emphasize the flexibility we have from the get-go in setting up a theory, so I'm a bit leery of talking too much about metatheory (as opposed to naive intuition). Separately, I've fixed a grammar issue. – Noah Schweber Jun 19 '22 at 20:17