There are many numbers which are not able to be classified as being rational, algebraic irrational, or transcendental. Is there an explicit number which is known to be irrational but not known to be either algebraic or transcendental?
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1I would think numbers like $.121121112\dots$ would do the job, no? Liouville doesn't obviously give us transcendence (at least it isn't obvious to me). – lulu Apr 18 '16 at 18:07
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4$e+\pi$ or $e\cdot\pi$. – student forever Apr 18 '16 at 18:07
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4@studentforever: I don't know that either of those numbers has the indicated property. (Of course at most one of them is rational, but I can't see how that helps here.) – Charles Apr 18 '16 at 18:09
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@lulu I believe that number is known to be transcendental. It's the sum of a rational number ($\frac19$) and a theta-value at a rational argument that I'm pretty sure is known not to be algebraic. – Steven Stadnicki Apr 18 '16 at 18:20
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@StevenStadnicki Ah...let's see. Certainly a mistake to use only $1's$...makes it too easy to subtract $\frac 19$. Is my example better if we cycle through the digits? $.192293339\dots$? Surely there's a simple way to write a non-periodic decimal to which we can't apply Liouville or the like... – lulu Apr 18 '16 at 18:26
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6Erdős proved that the Erdős–Borwein constant $\sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{2^n - 1} = 1.60669!\ldots$ is irrational, and to my knowledge whether it's algebraic remains open; the comments below this old answer suggest that's the case: http://math.stackexchange.com/a/266638/155629 . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s%E2%80%93Borwein_constant – Travis Willse Apr 18 '16 at 18:26
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@lulu: I don't understand your first comment. Surely the Liouville numbers are transcendental - that's their raison d'etre. – Rob Arthan Mar 23 '25 at 00:35
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@RobArthan sure, but it's not obvious that the theorem applies to the example I wrote. The usual examples, like $\sum 10^{-n!}$ are much better approximated by rationals – lulu Mar 23 '25 at 03:25
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@RobArthan that said, it's perfectly possible my comment was wrong and the theorem does apply. But the point of the comment was that it should be possible to write a simple irrational which can't bre shown to be transcendental by Lipuville – lulu Mar 23 '25 at 03:31
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Maybe the best-known example is Apery's constant, $$\zeta(3) = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^3} = 1.20205\!\ldots ,$$ which Apery proved was irrational a few decades ago; this result is known as Apery's Theorem.
By contrast, $\zeta(2) = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^2}$ has value $\frac{\pi^2}{6}$, which is transcendental because $\pi$ is.
Apéry, Roger (1979), Irrationalité de $\zeta(2)$ et $\zeta(3)$, Astérisque (61), 11–13.
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3And $\zeta(2n+1)$ in general for $n\geq 1$ is not known either, I think. – Arkady Apr 18 '16 at 18:17
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5@Jake I think that's true, but I don't think it's known for any odd $m > 3$ whether $\zeta(m)$ is even rational. It is known, perhaps a little oddly, that at least one of the first four such numbers is irrational. (See Zudilin, Wadim (2001), One of the numbers $\zeta(5)$, $\zeta(7)$, $\zeta(9)$, $\zeta(11)$ is irrational, Russ. Math. Surv. 56 (4), 774–776.) – Travis Willse Apr 18 '16 at 18:20
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Wow, I thought I knew the Greek symbols by sight, but I had to look up that weird salamander-looking thing to find out it's a lower-case Zeta. – Mason Wheeler Apr 18 '16 at 19:44
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1@MasonWheeler: in maths undergrad terms that's "other squiggle", with "squiggle" being $\xi$. – Steve Jessop Apr 19 '16 at 07:51
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Shouldn't the summation in Riemann's Zeta function start at n=1? – Vinícius Barros Apr 21 '16 at 22:58
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@ViníciusBarros Yes, of course, thanks for pointing it out (I've fixed the typo). – Travis Willse Apr 22 '16 at 08:55
The most famous have been answered. Let us be a little less constructive. At least one of $\zeta(5)$, $\zeta(7)$, $\zeta(9)$, $\zeta(11)$ is irrational, a result due to V. V. Zudilin, Communications of Moscow Mathematical Society (2001), and their true nature (algebraic and transcendental) seems unknown at the present time. This result improves the irrationality of one of the nine numbers $\zeta(5)$, $\zeta(7)$, $\ldots$ $\zeta(21)$.
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@Charles not by me, but at least of them (explicitely) is irrational, and unknown to be algebraic or transcendental. This is why I called my answer non constructive – Laurent Duval Apr 18 '16 at 18:35
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Example 1
$$ \begin{aligned} \frac{\ln(\pi)}{\pi} &= \frac{1.14472988584940017414342735135305871164729481291531 \ldots}{3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510 \ldots} \end{aligned} $$
This example is irrational because $$\frac{\ln\pi}{\pi}=\frac{p}{q} \implies \pi^{q}=\left(e^{\pi}\right)^{p}$$
But this is impossible because Nesterenko demonstrated that $e^{\pi}$ and $\pi$ are algebraically independent.
As far as I know, there is not a demonstration that $\ln(\pi)/\pi$ is transcendental which doesn't invoke the far from proven Schanuel's Conjecture.
Example 2
The real number solution $2^t+3^t=6$. $$t \approx 1.193911477211585957200358342236350773651$$ The solution to an exponential integer equation should be demonstrably irrational but not necessarily demonstrably transcendental (But again assuming Schanuel's Conjecture one can make progress).
Example 3
\begin{aligned} \frac{L}{C_{10}} &= \frac{\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} 10^{-n!}}{ \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} n \cdot 10^{ -\left( \sum_{k=1}^{n} \left\lceil \log_{10}(k+1) \right\rceil \right) }} &= \frac{0.11000100000000000000000100000000000000100\ldots}{0.12345678910111213141516171819202122232425\ldots} \end{aligned} Any two numbers with distinct irrationality measure must have an irrational quotient (and product). For example, Liouville's Constant and the Champernowne Constant are well known constants with distinct irrationality measures.
For any real $x$ and rational $r$ we have $\mu(rx)=\mu(r/x) =\mu(x)$. So if $\mu(x) \neq \mu(y)$ then $y \neq rx$ and $y \neq r/x$ for any rational $r$ and therefore $x/y$ and $xy$ are not rational.
We have $\mu(L)=\infty \neq \mu(C_{10})=10$. And we conclude the quotient is irrational.
Example 4
$$\sum_{n=0}^\infty 1/(n^2)! \approx 2.04167 $$ is not known (as far as I know) to be demonstrably transcendental. It can be shown irrational by modifying the 'shortest' proof that $e$ is irrational.. The general proof is here. The ambient question of $\sum_{n\in S} 1/n!$ for some subset $S$ of the naturals is discussed here. In contrast, we can demonstrate $\sum_{n=0}^\infty 1/(n!)^2$ transcendental. This is written about here on MSE.
Example 5
$$\sum_{n=1}^\infty 1/n^{2^n}\approx 1.06265241602 $$ This summation has a denominator which grows fast enough to show irrationality but not transcendence.
$\sum_{n=0}^\infty 1/a(n)$ is demonstrably irrational when $a(n)$ grows fast enough: If there exists $N$ such that for $n>N$, $$a_{n+1}-a_{n}^{2}+a_{n}-1>0 \implies \sum a_n^{-1} \notin \mathbb{Q}$$ One can read this here.
And the sum is demonstrably transcendental when $a(n)$ grows even faster. For fixed $\lambda>2$ we have $\lim_{n \to \infty} a_{n+1}/{a_n}^{\lambda+1}>1 \implies \sum_{n=1}^\infty 1/a(n) $ is transcendental. This can be read in Nyblom. For example $\sum_{n=1}^\infty 1/n^{n^n}$ is transcendental by this criteria.
Example 6
$$\prod_{n=1}^ \infty \bigg( 1+1/n^{2^n} \bigg) \approx 2.1253238840491767570143378256139$$
The product $\prod \bigg( 1+1/a(n) \bigg)$ is demonstrably irrational when $a(n)^{2^{-n}} \to \infty$ as $n$ grows large. This is from Erdös.
Example 7
Let $\mathcal{P}$ denote the primes (but any subset of that naturals with an aperiodic characteristic function will do) then $$\sum_{p\in \mathcal{P}} 2^{-p} \approx 0.414683$$ is irrational: It doesn't have an eventually periodic binary expansion. This type of argument shouldn't translate into any claim about algebraic/transcendental which both have aperiodic expansions. This constant is discussed here on MSE.
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In example 3, with $\ell(k)$ defined that way, I think the exponent of $10$ in the denominator should be $\sum_{j=1}^k \ell(k)$. – Greg Martin Jun 13 '25 at 02:46
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@GregMartin. Thanks. Edited. https://www.desmos.com/calculator/tyaeq9vtwb – Mason Jun 13 '25 at 03:13
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Erdős should be a treasure trove: He spent much time producing arguments demonstrating representations irrational. In the following paper $\sum_{n=1}^\infty \sigma(n)/n!$ and $\sum_{n=1}^\infty \phi(n)/n!$ are shown irrational. with $\sigma(n)$ the sum of divisors of $n$ and $\phi$ the Euler totient function. – Mason Jun 14 '25 at 02:07
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A trivial aside: Rational numbers are real numbers. If you don't know if $ {\gamma} \in \mathbb{R}$ is ir/rational then $ \sqrt{-\gamma} \in \mathbb{R}i$ is trivially irrational but unknown to be transcendental. $\pi e i $ is irrational but not known transcendental. – Mason Jun 14 '25 at 21:40
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The Recipricol Fibonacci Summation. $\sum_n 1/F_{an}$ for a natural number $a$, {https://repository.kulib.kyoto-u.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/2433/62370/1/1060-10.pdf} – Mason Jun 25 '25 at 19:24
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Primorial Constant and Kellogg-Curtiss constant. Both irrational and conjectured transcendental. – Mason Jun 26 '25 at 04:52