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My question is: Given a vector space of Dirac kets, could you give a way that the corresponding bras may be set up?

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I guess:

1: That if we had a ket $|f(x)\rangle=f(x)$ then the corresponding bra would be $ \langle f(x)|=f^\ast(x)$.

2: If we had a spin ket $|S(\sigma)\rangle=S(\sigma)$ then the corresponding bra would be $ \langle S(\sigma)|=S^\ast(\sigma)$.

3: If we had a spin ket
\begin{equation*} \left| \binom {c_1} {c_2}\right\rangle = ~ \binom {c_1} {c_2} \end{equation*}

then the corresponding bra would be
\begin{equation*} \left\langle\binom{c_1}{c_2}~\right|= ~ ( c_1^*~~~c_2^* ) \end{equation*} where $c_1,c_2\in \mathbb{C}$ and $\sigma$ is a spin variable which takes on two values.


I correct guesses 1: and 2: in response to a comment by Lee Mosher, dated 24th April 2025, see at

https://math.stackexchange.com/a/5059134/553318

1: That if we had a ket $|f\rangle$ such that $|f\rangle|_x=f(x)$ then the corresponding bra would be $ \langle f|$ such that $\langle f|~|_x=f^\ast(x)$.

2: If we had a spin ket $|S\rangle$ such that $|S\rangle|_\sigma=S(\sigma)$ then the corresponding bra would be $\langle S|$ such that $\langle S|~|_\sigma=S^\ast(\sigma)$.


Guesses 1: and 2: could also be given as

1: That if we had a ket $|f\rangle=f$ then the corresponding bra would be $ \langle f|=f^\ast$.

2: If we had a spin ket $|S\rangle=S$ then the corresponding bra would be $ \langle S|=S^\ast$.

where $f$ is a function of ‘$x$’ and $S$ is a function of a spin variable ‘$\sigma$’ which takes the two values $\{-½, ½\}$.


  • I cannot work as done in your guesses, because it would imply that bras behave as kets (and the whole algebra behind them would be broken in consequence), since $\langle f|_x = f^(x) = |f^\rangle_x$. – Abezhiko Apr 25 '25 at 08:45
  • As '$x$' is arbitrary, saying $\langle f|~|_x$ is equal to $|f^\ast\rangle|_x$, looks equivalent to saying $\langle f|=|f^\ast \rangle$, which would be nonsense. $\langle f|$ is a different type of vector to $|f^\ast \rangle$, so cannot be equal to it. – user151522 May 13 '25 at 01:13
  • I know that, I wanted to point out how your own statements lead to a contradiction, since you don’t distinguish (co-)vectors and their components when the Hilbert space is infinite-dimensional, so that both quantities would be then equal to the function $f^*(x)$. – Abezhiko May 13 '25 at 06:51
  • Perhaps we should treat $\langle f|~|_x$ and $|f^\ast\rangle|_x$, as incomparable, just as $\langle f|$ and $|f^\ast \rangle$ are? – user151522 May 13 '25 at 16:13

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On one hand, Dirac notation permits to speed up computations by making them more straightforward by hiding technalities under the carpet; however, on the other hand, it is done at the cost of notational ambiguities, so that it seems to lead you to conflate vectors with their components $-$ indeed, you cannot write something like $|f(x)\rangle = f(x)$, because the left-hand side is vector, while the right-hand side is a scalar expression $-$ and you have difficulty deriving bras from the corresponding kets. Let's take a step back and recall a few things.

Finite-dimensional Hilbert space. Let's begin with finite-dimensional spaces first, such as the one associated to a $\frac{1}{2}$-spin. The system is then represented by a two-dimensional ket $|\psi\rangle$. One needs to choose a basis in order to represent the latter. We usually work within the orthonormal eigenbasis of a hermitian operator associated to a physical observable, which happens to be canonically the third component of the spin in the present case, i.e. $\hat{S}_z$. The said basis is thus given by $$ |+\rangle = \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}, \quad |-\rangle = \begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix} $$ together with its dual basis $$ \langle+| = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 \end{pmatrix}, \quad \langle-| = \begin{pmatrix} 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix} $$ hence the following orthonormality conditions : $$ \begin{cases} \langle+|+\rangle = \langle-|-\rangle = 1 \\ \langle+|-\rangle = \langle-|+\rangle = 0 \end{cases} $$ Note that it is possible to work with column vectors and row covectors, because the dimension of the Hilbert space is finite. Then, the state of the system is expressed through the following ket : $$ |\psi\rangle = c_+|+\rangle + c_-|-\rangle = \begin{pmatrix} c_+ \\ c_- \end{pmatrix}, $$ The associated bra corresponds to the hermitian conjugate of the previous ket, i.e. $$ \langle\psi| = c_+^*\langle+| + c_-^*\langle-| = \begin{pmatrix} c_+^* & c_-^* \end{pmatrix}. $$

Infinite-dimensional Hilbert space. Now, let's deal with infinite-dimensional spaces. The same goes as before, except that we cannot use column vectors for obvious notational reasons. You need to choose a basis, such as the eigenbasis of the position operator $\hat{x}$ for example, whose orthonormality condition is given by $\langle x|x' \rangle = \delta(x-x')$, where $\delta$ is the well-known Dirac delta function. Then, the quantity $\psi(x) = \langle x|\psi \rangle$ corresponds to the component of the state $|\psi\rangle$ with respect to the basis vector $|x\rangle$, in the same way $c_+ = \langle+|\psi\rangle$ was the component of the ket $|\psi\rangle$ with respect to $|+\rangle$ in the finite-dimensional case. In consequence, the system can be represented by the following linear combination : $$ |\psi\rangle = \sum_{x\in\Bbb{R}} \psi(x)|x\rangle = \int_\Bbb{R} \psi(x)|x\rangle \,\mathrm{d}x $$ Note that the sum is replaced by an integral because the operator $\hat{x}$ possesses an uncountably infinite spectrum. Finally, take the hermitian conjugate in order to recover the associated bra, as done below : $$ \langle\psi| = \int_\Bbb{R} \psi(x)^*\langle x| \,\mathrm{d}x $$

Abezhiko
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  • If we had a complex vector space of kets $V$, given by $ V=\left{ f(x):-\infty<x<\infty, \int_{- \infty}^\infty f^\ast(x)~f(x)~dx~<\infty ~\right}$ then one of the kets/functions from $V$, could be denoted as $|f(x)\rangle$. We would have $|f(x)\rangle=f(x)$. – user151522 Apr 24 '25 at 11:40
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    @user151522: The precise mathematical distinction between $f$ and $f(x)$, which is very often ignored by everyone from precalculus students to mathematical physicists, is nonetheless important in this answer: $f$ is the function; $f(x)$ is the value of the function $f$ given an input value $x$. At the very least, using this notation with more precision helps quite a lot to cut down on the ambiguities inherent in the use of the bra-ket notation. – Lee Mosher Apr 24 '25 at 13:02
  • I correct my comment about the vector space $V$ to:

    If we had a complex vector space of kets $V$, given by $ V=\left{ f|f:\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{C},x\to f(x), \int_{- \infty}^\infty f^\ast(x)~f(x)~dx~<\infty ~\right}$ then one of the kets/functions from $V$, could be denoted as $|f\rangle$. We would have $|f\rangle|_x=f(x)$.

    – user151522 Apr 24 '25 at 14:30
  • Framing this in terms of finite- vs infinite-dimensional Hilbert spaces seems a bit off. The more relevant distinction is that of point spectrum vs continuous spectrum: operators with point spectrum can be expressed using sums, even in infinite dimensions, but operators with continuous spectrum can only be expressed via integration. – Semiclassical Apr 24 '25 at 17:44
  • Another way to make the point about why $f(x)=\langle x|f\rangle$ is correct is that then $$\langle f|g\rangle=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \langle f|x\rangle \langle x|g\rangle~dx=\int_{\mathbb{R}} f(x)^* g(x)~dx$$ for continuous spectrum in analogy with $\langle f|g\rangle=\sum_{k\in\mathbb{N}} \langle f|k\rangle\langle k|g\rangle$ for point spectrum. Writing $|f(x)\rangle=f(x)$ necessitates $\langle f|g\rangle=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \langle f(x)|g(x)\rangle~dx$ which breaks this analogy. – Semiclassical Apr 24 '25 at 17:56
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    @Semiclassical. I agree with you. Nonetheless, OP is confused about notational aspects, that is why I considered it more pedagogical to present things as such, given that the notations differ depending on whether the spectrum is discrete or continuous. – Abezhiko Apr 24 '25 at 19:03
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    @user151522. I'm obliged to insist, you cannot say the ket $|f\rangle$ is the same thing as the function $f(x)$; even if it is often done verbally and there is a link between them, it is not correct mathematically. It would be equivalent to stating that an eigenvector and its eigenvalue turn out to be the same object. You have to distinguish functions as vectors of a Hilbert space and functions as scalar components, in the same way that matrices can play different roles in different contexts, namely being linear maps on a vector space or being themselves vectors as elements of a matrix space. – Abezhiko Apr 24 '25 at 19:18
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I assume two things about Dirac’s$^1$ algebraic scheme involving bras and kets.

1: it is a way of thinking and doing the algebra/analysis, that will reproduce the expressions one would obtain using the definitions of ‘Inner Products’ , and ‘Adjoint Operators’, one would find in, Lipschutz and Lipson$^2$, see pgs. 239, and 377, respectively.

2: has one or more advantages when used for quantum mechanical analysis.

In general, the bras corresponding to a given vector space of Dirac kets, may be set up from a knowledge of the usual inner product one would define on such a vector space, see Lipschutz and Lipson$^2$, pg 239.

Example 1

If we had a vector space $V$, of Dirac kets $ |f\rangle=f$ given by \begin{equation*} V=\left\{ f|f:\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{C}, x\mapsto f(x), \int_{- \infty}^\infty f^\ast(x)~f(x)~dx~<\infty ~\right\} \tag{1}\end{equation*}

we would define the usual inner product on $V$, for use in quantum mechanical analysis, $\langle g,f\rangle$, by

\begin{equation*} \langle g,f\rangle=\int_{- \infty}^\infty g(x)~f^\ast(x)~dx \tag{2} \end{equation*}

With the use of Dirac’s algebraic scheme in mind we define a Diracian scalar product, $\langle f|g\rangle$, given by \begin{equation*} \langle f|g\rangle=\int_{- \infty}^\infty f^\ast(x)~g(x)~dx \tag{3} \end{equation*}

If we did this, then everytime we had an inner product, working with the “mathematical” notation of Reference 2, we would have \begin{equation*} \langle g,f\rangle=\langle f|g\rangle \end{equation*}

which has us in good shape, for using Dirac's algebraic scheme to reproduce results we would expect when using the “mathematical” notation of Lipschutz and Lipson$^2$.

With $\mathbf(3)$ in mind, it seems OK to set $\langle f|=f^\ast$ when we have $|f\rangle=f$.

Now, I guess, thinking Dirac’s way, we have to think of the functions $f^\ast$ and $f$ ( when $f^\ast$ is a bra and $f$ is a ket ) as being fundamentally different mathematical objects (as being completely different types of vector, which cannot be added together ).

I know they do not look different, they are both just functions of $x$.

Bras and kets are not the only mathematical things that appear in his scheme, the scheme also features operators. The operators are allowed to operate to “the left” as well as in the usual manner, to the right, and when doing so, are to be considered the same operator. The effect of an operator, operating to the left is defined by $(\mathbf{3})$ of pg. 25 of Reference 1. This can lead to a given operator, having different effects on functions, the kets and the bras, depending upon whether it operates to the left, or to the right. This can be made sense of, by considering bras and kets as being fundamentally different types of vector.

We do not consider a bra $\langle g|=g^\ast$ to be the complex conjugate of a ket $|g\rangle=g$, but consider it to be the conjugate imaginary of $|g\rangle=g$.

As I assumed in the question: If we have a ket $|f\rangle$ such that $|f\rangle|_x=f(x)$ then the corresponding bra would be $ \langle f|$ such that $\langle f|~|_x=f^\ast(x)$. This is consistent with ($\mathbf{3}$).

Or put another way: If we had a ket $|f\rangle=f$ then the corresponding bra would be $ \langle f|=f^\ast$.

Example 2

If we start with a space $W$, of spin kets which are two component complex spinors, \begin{equation*} W= \left\{ ~ \binom {c_1} {c_2} : ~c_1,c_2\in \mathbb{C}~,~ (c_1^\ast,c_2^\ast) \binom {c_1} {c_2} <\infty \right\} \end{equation*} where we have, using ket notation \begin{equation*} \left| \binom {c_1 }{c_2 } \right \rangle= \binom { c_1 }{c_2 } \end{equation*} then we would define an inner product, the Lipschutz and Lipson$^2$ way by \begin{equation*} \left \langle \binom {c_3 }{c_4 } , \binom {c_1 }{c_2 } \right \rangle= (c_1^\ast,c_2^\ast) \binom {c_3} {c_4} \end{equation*} With the use of Dirac’s algebraic scheme in mind, we would define a Diracian scalar product by \begin{equation*} \left \langle \binom {c_1 }{c_2 } | \binom {c_3 }{c_4 } \right \rangle= (c_1^\ast,c_2^\ast) \binom {c_3} {c_4} \end{equation*}

This definition ensures, that we always have, for any $c_1, c_2, c_3, c_4 \in \mathbb{C}$ \begin{equation*} \left \langle \binom {c_3 }{c_4 } , \binom {c_1 }{c_2 } \right \rangle= \left \langle \binom {c_1 }{c_2 } | \binom {c_3 }{c_4 } \right \rangle \end{equation*}

Guided by the Diracian scalar product, we would take the bra that corresponds to the ket $\left| \binom {c_1 }{c_2 } \right\rangle$ to be \begin{equation*} \left\langle \binom {c_1 }{c_2 } \right| = (c_1^\ast,c_2^\ast) \end{equation*}

Note in this example, how a bra actually looks to be a different type of object to a ket ( row vector as compared to column vector ).

As I assumed in the question: If we had a spin ket
\begin{equation*} \left| \binom {c_1} {c_2}\right\rangle = ~ \binom {c_1} {c_2} \end{equation*}

then the corresponding bra would be
\begin{equation*} \left\langle\binom{c_1}{c_2}~\right|= ~ ( c_1^*~~~c_2^* ) \end{equation*} where $c_1,c_2\in \mathbb{C}$.

References.

1, P.A.M. Dirac, The Principles Of Quantum Mechanics 4th Ed., Clarendon Press, Oxford, (1958). Dirac starts to explain his algebraic scheme on pg. 18, in the section entitled ‘6. Bra and ket vectors

2, Seymour Lipschutz, PhD, Marc Lipson, PhD, SCHAUM’s outlines, Linear Algebra, Fourth Edition, McGraw Hill (2009).

  • I think you're kind of all over the place (although the notation bears his name, and thus it's good to see what he thinks, he the person might be confusing you). Bras and kets are vectors. $\langle v | := \text{transpose conjugate of} | v \rangle$, and vice versa. Thus, a bra can actually be your ket, and you can consider what you previously thought of as kets to be bras. Concretely, given a column vector $4i, 2, 1 - I$, the 'bra' would be the row vector $-4i, 2, 1 + i$. Or, you could have started with the column of $-4i, 2, 1 + i$, and then the row vector...(you get what I mean). However, – DWade64 Apr 30 '25 at 20:59
  • Just as a matrix is a matrix. You can consider (and now I'm going to bring in other language) a matrix not as an object, but as an operator that acts on other things. ('operator' and 'act on' go together...or if you want to call an 'operator' a function that's ok with me...and just as the words 'operator' and 'act on' go together..the words 'function' and 'mapping' go together, or mapping/linking/connecting). So just as a matrix $M$ acts on a vector to produce another vector. You can consider a bra (which is just a vector) as something that is supposed to multiply another ket vector – DWade64 Apr 30 '25 at 21:05
  • and thus, for a particular bra, every other ket gets assigned a number with respect to that bra. But don't let this take away from the fact that a bra is still an object itself. Just as a matrix is a thing of itself. Or, instead of a particular bra, acting other kets to assign a number...just as the addition sign $+$ requires a left and right input....the dot product involves a left and right input ...sort of like $f(x,y)$ requires two inputs – DWade64 Apr 30 '25 at 21:09
  • Just don't let all these words 'operator, act on, mapping, function, functional, linear mapping' confuse you. I particularly don't like the word 'functional' because 'function' is perfectly fine to me...because in terms of teaching..I don't think it adds anything that useful, but sets up a barrier, seems unnecessary...but that's just me – DWade64 Apr 30 '25 at 21:13
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If your kets are functions then the corresponding bras will be the “complex conjugated “ functions.

I use scare quotes, because we should not think of $\langle f|=f^*$ as simply the complex conjugate of $|f\rangle=f$, but as Dirac$^1$ would say , as the ‘Conjugate Imaginary’ of $|f\rangle=f$. The bra $f^*$, is incomparable to the ket $f$. The bra $f^*$, is incomparable to the ket $f^*$.


If your ket has at least one part, that is a complex valued two component spinor, then the situation is complicated by the idea, of having to turn a column vector into a row vector.


This answers opening sentence applies to $f(x)$, $f(x,y)$, $f(x,y,z)$, $f(x,y,z,\sigma)=\phi(x,y,z)S(\sigma)$, even to functions associated with multiple particles, e.g.
\begin{equation*} f(x_1,y_1,z_1,\sigma_1,x_2,y_2,z_2,\sigma_2)=\phi(x_1,y_1,z_1)S(\sigma_1)\,\phi(x_2,y_2,z_2)S(\sigma_2) \end{equation*}

, including functions that are linear combinations of determinants.

Reference.

1, P.A.M. Dirac, The Principles Of Quantum Mechanics 4th Ed., Clarendon Press, Oxford, (1958). See the top of pg. 21

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Given a vector space, $V$ of kets, $|v\rangle=v$, where \begin{equation*} V= \left \{ v|\,v \text{ obeys some rules} \right\} \end{equation*} , to form the corresponding vector space $U$ of bras, $\langle v|$, take each $|v\rangle$ from $V$, and form it’s ‘Hermitian Conjugate’ ( also known as ‘Hermitian Adjoint’ ).

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Material in Dirac$^1$ may be useful in understanding the ‘Hermitian Adjoint’. In particular

1, pg. 57. The representative of a bra.

2, pg. 69. Use of the word ‘matrix’.

3, pg. 71.

We may look upon the representative of a ket $|P\rangle$ as $a~ matrix~ with~a~single~column$

4 pg. 72.

Similarly we may look upon the representative of a bra $\langle Q|$ as $a~matrix~ with~a~single~row$

See at Reference 2, ($\mathbf{3.26}$) and ($\mathbf{3.27}$), in relation to the quotes from pg’s 71 and 72 of Dirac$^1$.

See at Reference 3, for equating the terms ‘Hermitian Conjugate’ and ‘Hermitian Adjoint’.

It looks as if the terminology used by Dirac$^1$, of ‘Conjugate Imaginary’, may also mean the same as ‘Hermitian Adjoint’, in relation to kets and bras.

References.

1, P.A.M. Dirac, The Principles Of Quantum Mechanics 4th Ed., Clarendon Press, Oxford, (1958).

2, https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/646369/confusion-regarding-taking-the-hermitian-adjoint-of-an-outer-product-in-spectral

3, https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/608888/what-are-hermitian-conjugates-in-this-context/608889#608889

  • It seems that, if your ket is just a function of ‘$x$’, then taking the transpose, which is part of the ‘Hermitian Adjoint’ of Reference 2, does nothing. – user151522 May 12 '25 at 17:18
  • I wonder, if someone could add an answer, which is based on this answer, but which perhaps corrects it? Perhaps, Abezhiko? – user151522 May 12 '25 at 20:10